microphone for recording classical guitar

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microphone for recording classical guitar

What microphone is best for just recording one track...that of classical guitar?  Should it be a USB connection?  I'm just learning on my Sonar X1 Essentials and my microphone is garbly..it's an old one and has an 1/8th inch plug..  Thanks for any suggestions.. I'm going to check out Best Buy tomorrow by phone to see what they have.
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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 01:26:49 (permalink)
    In general, USB microphones aren't recommended for recording.  They are fine for podcasting etc., but not music.  Not only are they cheap (and inexpensive) but the USB drivers are generic and usually suffer from large latencies (the time between you sing to your backing track and when you hear your voice.
     
    There are lots of threads on low cost music interfaces and separate mics, which is the way to go. 
     
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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 02:07:53 (permalink)
    LOL! I just read this and was thinking, dude really doesn't like USB mics!
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 05:19:08 (permalink)
    Not chosing a USB-mic means that you need to have a decent audio-interface.
    For classical guitar you need a condenser-microphone, which requires phantom power feed (which your PC doesn't have).
     
    USB-mic is just as bad an alternative as the PC:s own sound chip. Neither have good drivers for DAW-work.
    In case you decide for a USB-mic anyway, make shure it has all the inputs and outputs for monitoring etc, just like any audio interface. Your PC sees it as a soundcard, and you must be able to monitor your recordings through it. If you try to monitor through motherboard soundcard, the signals go out of sync.

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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 09:33:41 (permalink)
    I have to say that USB mics have improved considerably over the years. They used to be cheap and, as mentioned, mostly designed for podcasting. However I picked up an Audio-Technica AT2020 USB mic a few years ago to take on the road for doing narration, and aside from being of great interest to the TSA when you have a cylindrical object in your luggage, it's been a really rugged mic that sounds like, well, the non-USB 2020. I also checked out an MXL 007 which is an inexpensive stereo condenser mic, and it performed much better than I expected.
     
    However many of these are made to be class-compliant, which means they use non-specialized drivers. As a result there is latency, so if you want to monitor the mics, you'll want to use an interface's direct monitoring.
     
    There's no technical reason why USB mics can't sound good, but there are cost constraints - a company is not going to put a $100 A/D converter sub-system in a $200 mic. But as converters get better and cheaper, USB mics will follow suit.

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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 09:43:21 (permalink)
    I picked up a CAD condensor mike from Musiciams Friend Stupid deal of the day for $30 ,, it is very good, as good as any $200 mikes I have. 
    But first you really do need an audio interface, don't waste your money on 3rd rate systems. 

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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 09:47:14 (permalink)
    Question for the original poster quick... could you help us by providing your system specifications (System model, O/S, equipment you are using)?
     
    I am making the assumption that "1/8"" jack means you are plugging into the onboard audio or an internal sound card, but "garbly sound" can be attributed to other aspects of your system as well. I am concerned to trudge down the path of "mic" alone here.

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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 11:58:08 (permalink)
    USB mics have improved lately, but I caution everyone that if you get one, make sure it has a "headphone out"
     
    that way you can monitor using the headphone out instead of using your onboard soundcard.  if you choose a mic without a headphone output, or if you choose to monitor using the onboard soundcard, then you are using two different soundcards, one for input and one for output.  using two different soundcards will cause your tracks to drift away from each other in sonar (or any other recording medium) because the two soundcards will have two DIFFERENT clocks and they are NOT sync'd.

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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 12:08:15 (permalink)
    I would look into Earthworks QTC 30 (Matched Pair). There awesome and are excellent for capturing classical guitar recordings and can be used for many more things.
     
    Stay far away from USB Mic's. Do not like them!!! 
     
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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 14:07:46 (permalink)
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    What microphone is best for just recording one track...that of classical guitar?  Should it be a USB connection?  I'm just learning on my Sonar X1 Essentials and my microphone is garbly..it's an old one and has an 1/8th inch plug..  Thanks for any suggestions.. I'm going to check out Best Buy tomorrow by phone to see what they have.




    Do yourself a favor and buy some external soundcard where you can plug real microphone. For example Focusrite Scarlett Solo or 2i2. For the mic, I am using Rode NT5 on regular basis. it is great mic. You can also look for some large capsule microphones {Shure, AKG, whatever}
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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 14:27:13 (permalink)
    Hi kslampi,
    There are lots of answers to this question. Microphones are like shoes, you can get a different mic for every situation and you can spend as much as you'd like on them. There aren't really hard and fast rules for "best", but there are some generally accepted guidelines. For acoustic guitar, most folks reach for small diaphragm condensers (SDC's) first, so that's probably where I'd start if I were you. As far as which one, that's really a question of personal preference and price. AKG, Audio-technica and Rode make popular inexpensive SDC's, but I'd probably look at one of the boutique mic makers/modders before going that route (Advanced Audio, Oktavamod and JJ are probably good places to start). If you have some money to spend I'd probably start by looking at Schoeps and Gefell. The Earthworks QTC30's that CJ mentioned are commonly used, but I'm not a giant fan of them...I'd use them as room mics on a choir or a string ensemble, but not much else. My pair pretty much just sits in their case. That doesn't mean they're bad, it just means I'm not really a fan of how they sound for most of my applications. Poke around the interwebs and you'll find lots of people that love them.
     
    The other option you should consider is a pair of good general purpose large diaphragm condensers (LDC's). The thing about LDC's is that they'll generally sound pretty good on most things. The same is not generally true for SDC's. I'd feel just fine putting my U87 or Beesneez Mahalia on an acoustic guitar, a vocalist, a guitar cab or a clarinet, but I would never put my Gefells in front of a cranked Marshall or a loud rock vocalist (and never, ever my QTC's).
     
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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 15:33:02 (permalink)
    Well, you certainly will not get a good mic for acoustic recording at Best Buy.  But assuming you cant afford $3500 for a nice pair of Schoeps or Neumann mics there are a few good alternatives.  A pair of Shure KSM137's would do the job nicely.  AKG C451B's are not well liked for larger ensemble recording but a lot of guys swear by it for guitar.  But if you really want to save money and have something that sounds very close to the high end options, look into Line Audio CM3.    Like most people are telling you.  No USB microphones, get a proper interface for your computer.  
     
    Notice I am saying pairs.  Classical guitar should not be recorded in mono.   
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    Re: microphone for recording classical guitar 2014/12/04 19:54:42 (permalink)
    Was in a musici store today and just out of curiosity asked if they had any USB mikes.. They said everyone would bring them back and trade them for a real mike so they stopped stocking them

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