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midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
I checked all over the net and here in the cakewalk forums, and can find no references to midi over bluetooth LE support for devices or software on windows 10. The BT stack seems to see the bluetooth midi device, (Yamaha MD-BT01) ... is that enough for SONAR to use that as a valid midi port or is there more needed from the OS?
If everything from the OS is available, are there any plans to implement Midi over BT LE in SONAR.
things are working just great with this adapter and IOS 9.2.1 on an ipad. Additional mapping software was needed to enable it to be used with Propellerhead's Thor synth...
Thanks in advance....
Phil Kemp
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/06 10:23:54
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I think MIDI over Bluetooth is still in its early stages.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/06 11:42:36
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I don't see how Sonar would be involved. Shouldn't it just see a midi device like any other ?
I have no idea what software/drivers are involved on the bluetooth side of things, but that's not Sonar's domain.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/06 11:54:34
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If you have a midi-over-bluetooth device (for example the Korg microKey air series) you can use it with any midi software.
You will have been provided with drivers that need to be installed.
Once that's done you're good to go.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/06 13:12:31
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Based on Google, there is no general answer either that is going to work.
Korg has BLE-MIDI Driver and explicitly mention Windows as supported.
Yamaha keep absolute silence about Windows support.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/06 17:41:34
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The Yamaha adapter the OP mentions is indeed specifically for iOS and OSX.
The list of compatible apps are all Apple-only, too.
Most apps seem to be of the learn-to-play variety. I don't see Logic mentioned.
No drivers available to download, so either Apple OSs already have Midi over Bluetooth class-compliant drivers built in (can this be?), or the apps themselves are written for the bluetooth interface. This might explain why Logic is not in the list of compatible apps.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/06 17:55:43
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Apple's OS X's Core MIDI does indeed include MIDI over Bluetooth. Also MIDI over wifi/ethernet.
Both work very well and without trauma.
Yamaha only seem to list Yamaha apps for the adaptor, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't work with any OS X/iOS application so long as it's Core MIDI compatible.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/06 22:42:43
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I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe Apple is taking its own path with Bluetooth MIDI that is different from Google and Microsoft. With MIDI slated to be on 2.6 billion Android devices by the end of the year, I hope the industry "pulls a MIDI" and comes up with a common protocol.
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pjkemp
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/08 07:13:41
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I can verify that it works on my ipad for thor (propellerhead) via a bluetooth mapping app (this is what is needed on windows IMHO, ref. anderton post on MS, and Google BT) to provide a virtual midi interface for thor since thor does not yet have midi core embedded....
in this way SONAR could 'wait' until the interface is baked on windows....
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/08 07:46:11
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There is no inbox class compliant driver for MIDI over bluetooth in Windows yet. A third party could write one.
For it to work in SONAR it would have to be a MME compliant driver that supports the MIDI API. From what I remember MS may have it on their dolist but only for the newer universal apps MIDI API.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/14 12:52:01
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I've been playing with the updated TouchDAW Android app from Humatic. Along the way I decided to replace the rtpMIDI with their beta mnet. [www.humatic.de/htools ] Surprisingly, it seems that mnet supports Bluetooth in Windows and will presumably present a MIDI port to SONAR. I don't have a way of testing this right now, but it could be what you've been trying to find.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/15 01:21:15
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Hmm, wouldn't there be a significant amount of latency if you connect a midi controller via Bluetooth?
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jpetersen
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/15 06:17:32
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Midi runs Pan65
Hmm, wouldn't there be a significant amount of latency if you connect a midi controller via Bluetooth?
No. Midi runs at 31.25 K and bluetooth at 2.4 GHz with data rates of 24 Mbits/sec. It handles audio and video, so Midi is no problem.
post edited by jpetersen - 2016/03/15 06:43:17
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pjkemp
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/05/27 17:44:57
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does that mean that cakewalk has no intention of incorporating support for the universal apps MIDI API?
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/05/27 19:09:20
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There sure enough is latency with audio over Bluetooth , but I could see that midi is much less data to deal with so possibly the latency is low enough to work, But myself after my experience with Bluetooth audio I'm not going to waist time thinking about more Bluetooth stuff.
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pjkemp
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/05/27 19:21:31
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All I can go from is the experience that I have had on an iPad with the propellerhead synth, thor, and the Korg iM1.
I am using a wx5 wind controller with the Yamaha MDBT-01 bluetooth midi interface.
For all intents and purposes the wx5 reacts well enough that at my skill level I cannot tell the difference between wired midi and midi over Bluetooth LE. There are also others who regularily use the BTLE midi interfaces in serious performance environments.
Based on that experience I am looking with anticipation for the release of midi over BTLE on windows 10 and the software support for this connection...
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pjkemp
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/07/17 09:45:15
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will cakewalk/sonar support the "newer universal apps MIDI API" ?
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/07/17 11:32:40
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The MIDI API - available across all Windows 10 devices - allows multi-client access to single MIDI hardware. Doesn't SONAR already support this by virtue of running on Windows 10?
CME is going to be sending me one of their new Bluetooth keyboards for evaluation so I can test if/how it works with SONAR and Windows 10. CME claims latency is around 7 ms...I can deal with that.
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pjkemp
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/07/17 14:18:56
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I wish that were true. I have tried to get current windows 10 to enumerate a bluetooth midi dongle on win 10 to no avail. I'm hoping that the anniversary release will pair and recognize the device so that the rest of the midi stack can work. ( I will say that the fast ring releases will enumerate the dongle and tests ok with the midi test app designed by MS to see if a function operates properly ) I have tried cakewalk on the releases and it runs fine on the legacy midi devices but does not 'see' the new windows API device while paired and enumerated. Please let us know if the CME keyboard works. It looks like CME uses a hardware/software dongle to make things work. make sure you try the CME keyboaord with a standard BT LE device in a win 10 device (say a surface pro) . that will be the real test of the use to the new MIDI windows API. I'll bet the CME WIDI Bud makes the internal connection to BTLE and then maps the device to the legacy MIDI API. bypassing the new MIDI API. I'm very interested.... Thanks PK
post edited by pjkemp - 2016/07/17 14:48:41
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2017/01/10 20:21:50
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2017/04/28 20:32:17
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Bumping to indicate that this is now fully implemented and available in SONAR as of the 2017.03 update.
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2017/04/29 04:43:42
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pjkemp
I am using a wx5 wind controller with the Yamaha MDBT-01 bluetooth midi interface.
For all intents and purposes the wx5 reacts well enough that at my skill level I cannot tell the difference between wired midi and midi over Bluetooth LE. There are also others who regularily use the BTLE midi interfaces in serious performance environments.
Cooool. I'd love to ditch the PSU and midi cable from this, I wonder if Yamaha will ever update the WX5 to include this as one. The sound module is a bit dated now, and Akai have updated thiers to USB. This would be step up on USB
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
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Re: midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2017/04/29 21:19:35
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