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midi velocity change
Hello All,
I'm trying to change midi velocities in my piano track. I highlight the track in the track pane, right click and insert midi effect velocity and then choose "Set to" type in the value and then nothing happens. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to be in staff view and not try to change the velocities from the track view? Seems straight forward but I'm obviously missing something!
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 08:52:32
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Start by highlighting the range of notes you want to change velocity in the PRV
THEN go to Track View, right click etc.
Seems daft I know, but it always works for me this way.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 09:04:54
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Bristol_Jonesey
Start by highlighting the range of notes you want to change velocity in the PRV
THEN go to Track View, right click etc.
Seems daft I know, but it always works for me this way.
Hi Jonesey, What's the PRV? Seems that sometimes I can get them to change but they don't play back through TruePianos with the changes. Right now I'm just experimenting so I really lowered them to make sure that I can hear the difference (but there is none). If I right click on a note I can see that the velocity has changed, but not the play back.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 09:31:33
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I always use Process | Find-Change. May not be the easiest method but it works from any view and will change the selected range. I think CAL has a Scale Velocity program that lets you increase or decrease by a percentage.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 09:40:37
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If you wish to affect all the notes in the midi track, why not just adjust the track "volume"?..
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 09:44:38
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 09:46:58
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If you wish to affect all the notes in the midi track, why not just adjust the track "volume"?..
Adjusting velocity will give you a totally different sound to adjusting volume. Velocity should, depending on the quality of the vsti, mimic how hard/soft the musician is playing his/her instrument. This cannot be replicated using volume alone, as with most acoustic instruments, the timbre will change drastically depending on how hard it's keys/strings/skins are hit
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 09:57:44
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Mystic38
If you wish to affect all the notes in the midi track, why not just adjust the track "volume"?..
Adjusting velocity will give you a totally different sound to adjusting volume.
Velocity should, depending on the quality of the vsti, mimic how hard/soft the musician is playing his/her instrument.
This cannot be replicated using volume alone, as with most acoustic instruments, the timbre will change drastically depending on how hard it's keys/strings/skins are hit
sorry my bad, I know that ..or at least I would have thought i would have know that even before coffee! :D
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 10:05:00
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 10:20:56
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If you're just experimenting, it's probably better to leave the original velocities alone until you know for sure what's needed. In the meantime, you can adjust all velocities up or down - non-destructively - via the Vel+ slider, which adds (or subtracts) a fixed value to each note's velocity.
And yes, if you put in too large a negative adjustment, you'll find that some of the quieter notes may not play, or play so quietly that you won't hear them in the mix. A common alteration to piano parts, especially in pop/rock, is to limit the range of velocities so that quiet notes aren't so quiet and loud notes aren't so loud. It's a lot like using a compressor on audio for volume leveling, only more precise.
Some sample players, including TruePianos, offer a velocity curve adjustment for just this purpose. When available, this provides the easiest way to control the dynamic range of the instrument. If you plan to use TruePianos as your primary piano instrument, you will definitely find this feature indispensable.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 10:29:37
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bitflipper
So, do you think that True pianos is over ruling the velocity changes in the midi track. I love Sonar and Sibelius, but the learning curve can cause a lot of stress at times! Great fun though.
Michael
If you're just experimenting, it's probably better to leave the original velocities alone until you know for sure what's needed. In the meantime, you can adjust all velocities up or down - non-destructively - via the Vel+ slider, which adds (or subtracts) a fixed value to each note's velocity.
And yes, if you put in too large a negative adjustment, you'll find that some of the quieter notes may not play, or play so quietly that you won't hear them in the mix. A common alteration to piano parts, especially in pop/rock, is to limit the range of velocities so that quiet notes aren't so quiet and loud notes aren't so loud. It's a lot like using a compressor on audio for volume leveling, only more precise.
Some sample players, including TruePianos, offer a velocity curve adjustment for just this purpose. When available, this provides the easiest way to control the dynamic range of the instrument. If you plan to use TruePianos as your primary piano instrument, you will definitely find this feature indispensable.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 10:45:37
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There is a CAL script somewhere that will do exactly what Bitflipper suggests - it compresses the range of Midi velocities.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 11:06:45
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 11:18:04
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+1 cloning and saving/muting the original, then in PRV lasso all notes or highlight the the timeline and use the smart tool and hover over 1 of the midi notes towards the top of the midi note and it will change to a pencil velocity tool. Click and hold then drag up to increase velocity or down to decrease velocity. This will affect all selected notes. ALSO, non-destructively the midi plugin VELOCITY is perfect for this. (SET TO, CHANGE BY, SCALE BY %) OR, highlight all notes and type 110% in the velocity section of the midi event inspector.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 11:47:29
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Thanks Scott. Nice tutorial. Very helpful!!!
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 13:12:43
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bitflipper, I am ashamed I did not think of the Vel Offset. Thanks for reminding us!
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 15:17:16
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Scott: would that method not be analogous to a clipper versus a compressor? IOW, it seems all notes below the min threshold would be set to one uniform velocity, and all notes above the max threshold similarly set to a single uniform velocity.
This would be fine if you just wanted to make sure no notes hit, say 127, perhaps because that would trigger a velocity layer you wanted to avoid. But it would not be very musical. To actually compress the dynamic range, that means velocities exceeding some limit would have to be proportionally reduced.
An option not mentioned so far is the MIDI Velocity plugin. This gives a great deal more flexibility in limiting velocities, and is non-destructive.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 16:19:58
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Actually I mentioned it in my post....The midi velocity plugin... that is.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/12 17:05:23
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Scott: would that method not be analogous to a clipper versus a compressor? IOW, it seems all notes below the min threshold would be set to one uniform velocity, and all notes above the max threshold similarly set to a single uniform velocity.
Hi Dave, No, actually for some reason, the Interpolate (or Find/Change in X1) function, when used in this situation, actually scales the values that are below/above the set thresholds. Give it a try and you'll see that the values are not just set to the threshold values. In that case, yes, they would be 'clipped', but it doesn't do that. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/13 01:02:51
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Bristol_Jonesey
Start by highlighting the range of notes you want to change velocity in the PRV
THEN go to Track View, right click etc.
Seems daft I know, but it always works for me this way.
Hi Jonesey, What's the PRV? Seems that sometimes I can get them to change but they don't play back through TruePianos with the changes. Right now I'm just experimenting so I really lowered them to make sure that I can hear the difference (but there is none). If I right click on a note I can see that the velocity has changed, but not the play back.
If you are _sure_ that the velocity is lower in the MIDI track but you can't hear a difference then it is possible TruePianos is not responding to dynamics as you wish it would. Have you checked the velocity response settings in TruePianos? When you open TruePianos the first time there should be a screen showing you the "Keyboard Dynamics" and it is set by default to 0 meaning it will may not respond to dynamics as you wish. Open the plugin, choose Options in the lower right corner and set the dynamics to a positive value.
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Re:midi velocity change
2012/06/13 09:34:11
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If you are _sure_ that the velocity is lower in the MIDI track but you can't hear a difference then it is possible TruePianos is not responding to dynamics as you wish it would. Have you checked the velocity response settings in TruePianos? When you open TruePianos the first time there should be a screen showing you the "Keyboard Dynamics" and it is set by default to 0 meaning it will may not respond to dynamics as you wish. Open the plugin, choose Options in the lower right corner and set the dynamics to a positive value.
Thanks, I'll look into that as well. I seem to have most of the glitches working now.
Michael
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