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midi won't communicate
Hello All,
I am trying to get my yamaha keyboard to talk to Sonar and the True Pianos stand alone version. I'm on a PC with windows 7.
I have just purchased a new midi 1x1 usb cable from emu. I installed the latest drivers for windows 7 64 bit (and 32). The computer says the device is working correctily. In Sonar I have selected the umo midi controller as my input and out put device but I can not record and midi using the yamaha keyboard. I have done all of this before on my desk top computer but can't not get any of it to work on my lap top ASUS.
True pianos is working when I click the piano keyboard on the screen with the mouse and the monitors go up and down in cue mix when I play keys on the real piano but no sound at all. Not sure what to try next.
Any ideas?
Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 11:29:55
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ok , first of all you use the VST version of true pianos *IF* your calling it from within sonar. the first thing to make sure is your even getting a midi in/out .. next to the clock.. an icon.. if your getting the signal it'll light up.. try switching the cable to in / out and visa versa.. if that works, and you can record a few midi notes.. then the sound card is the issue.. if you haven't got a decent asio based one, I'd say get one.. the onboard isn't designed for music production. as for the yamaha, you don't state what model.. have a look in the manual for things regarding the midi out and local mode and what channels are transmited. you might find thats the issue , rather than the interface / sonar etc. so 1) establish your getting a midi in (if not it's the keyboard or interface thats the issue) 2) your getting midi in, then it's the soundcard or lack of http://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx/Get-Started might be of interest also
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 11:34:18
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IN sonar I use true piano as a vst and it works fine. I have also use the stand alone with th yamaha psr2000 and it worked fine too. My sound card is motu microbook as I don't use the onboard sound card. What does the icon look like that should be lighting up. I see the one that says reset mid and audio.... The meters don't seem to light up when I play the keyboard but the computer says the device is working properly. Very frustrating. I'll try some of the things you suggested, thanks. Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 12:10:53
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on the windows clock on the bottom right of the screen
you see the piano icon with 2 lights ? AFTER you start sonar
if it's working when you hit a key, the icon will light up 1 of the red dots..
if your not getting that far , and you haven't selected the midi interface in sonar prefs.. then your interface / keyboard is the issue.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 12:16:07
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Fog
on the windows clock on the bottom right of the screen
you see the piano icon with 2 lights ? AFTER you start sonar
if it's working when you hit a key, the icon will light up 1 of the red dots..
if your not getting that far , and you haven't selected the midi interface in sonar prefs.. then your interface / keyboard is the issue.
OKay, that's the problem. No lights are flashing when I play the notes. So it's the keyboard /interface problem. Thanks, at least I'm narrowing it down! Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 12:34:45
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what model keyboard is it?
and also have a look in say control panel OR in your start menu, see if emu is listed / added anything in there that you might need to turn on..
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 12:48:46
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The keyboard is a yamaha psr2000. It has worked with both sonar and true pianos in the past.
The drivers are up to date but the midi controller is not shoing up in the control panel under sound and audio devices. I assume that's where I should be looking.
I also don't see it as a new program in the start menu (though midi drivers are not really "a program" are they?) Thank your for the time you are spending on this. Seems odd that the midi usb controller appears in the drop down menu for midi pref. in Sonar but isn't showing up in the control panel. Should I be looking somewhere else in the control panel?
Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 13:19:58
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Fog
what model keyboard is it?
and also have a look in say control panel OR in your start menu, see if emu is listed / added anything in there that you might need to turn on..
Hi Fog, I think I might be on to something. Truepianos says that the midi should be plugged directly into my motu microbook sound card (a separate stand alone device) and not into my computer. If this is the case, I would need a different type of midi interface, one that has a different plug on the end as there is no usb plug on the microbook. Does this sound logical and is there such a cable. I have mic in guitar in line 1 and 2 in. Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 13:32:53
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"NGB5"
The computer says the device is working correctly. Your Yamaha keyboard is listed here? Computer Management --> Device Manager --> Sound, Videos and Game Controllers
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 13:37:42
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MGB5
Fog
what model keyboard is it?
and also have a look in say control panel OR in your start menu, see if emu is listed / added anything in there that you might need to turn on..
Hi Fog, I think I might be on to something. Truepianos says that the midi should be plugged directly into my motu microbook sound card (a separate stand alone device) and not into my computer. If this is the case, I would need a different type of midi interface, one that has a different plug on the end as there is no usb plug on the microbook. Does this sound logical and is there such a cable. I have mic in guitar in line 1 and 2 in.
Michael
I don't think you need to plug into your MOTU. This seems no different than when I use my KZ2600 as a controller. Sonar will turn off local control of the keyboard when it comes up by default as defined in the TTSSEQ.INI file. You can check in the manual for the exact name of the parameter. Anyway....go into the midi settings on your keyboard and make sure that you can transmit midi notes and then verify the channel. When you first add a soft-synth it is going to default to omni mode on any interface so that allows it to receive anything on any channel and any interface. Given that, it seems the only way you could not play the TruePiano soft synth is if your keyboard is not sending midi. Also, on those midi interfaces->USB you know you have to plug the midi IN side of the interface into the midi OUT end of your keyboard and vice versa. Check that to be sure it is correct. I have screwed that one up too many times to count ;-) Ken
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 14:46:01
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I just looked the manual for the keyboard.. make sure midi is turned on.. you can turn it off, and it won't send or receive otheriwse
page 145..
also is there a selector switch on the back of the unit for pc1/pc2/mac/midi ? that will cause issues IF it's got midi listed and it's switched to something else
also look at 153-154.. and anything regarding "local"
with midi it can be in any input port using omni.. as my mu128 is controlled by my axiom on a different chain.
the keyboard won't be listed , solely the midi interface. you said it worked previously, so have you changed anything ? even just putting that usb device in a different port.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 22:03:31
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Thank you to everyone who is trying to help me with this problem. I'm at the "ready to throw everything out of the window stage"
In Device Manage, the computer tells me the divice is working fine.
All midi functions are turned on on the yamaha keyboard.
I can selecet the moto midi 1x1 tab usb interface as the midi in and out for True pianos stand alone and Sonar.
I have fairly good knowledge of how these things work and have used True pianos as a stand alone instrument before and have used an older midi interface cable before.
The midi 1x1tab usb cable is new as is the computer (new in that I have not had everything set up on it until now)
It seems that everything says it should work except that it doesn't. No lights flash in the midi in/out indicator in the task bar even though the device manager says it is working correctly.
I'm at a loss as to what to try next.
Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 22:13:49
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Found this on a midi solutions search here http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#List
My device is on the "Bad" list although I just bought it. I've enlarged the text on my devices. Seems like rather a long list to me. And I think they are referring to devices that don't work well with their products.
Q: Why does the MIDI indicator LED not light up even though the keyboard connected to the MIDI Solutions product is turned on? A: First of all, check the connections to make sure that it is a MIDI Out or MIDI Thru that is connected to the input of the MIDI Solutions product (not a MIDI In to MIDI In, or MIDI Out or MIDI Out). Also double check that the keyboard is turned on. If the LED still does not light, then check that the MIDI cable you are using has all three of the centermost pins connected at each end; on rare occasions we've seen MIDI cables that do not connect the center pin, and although these cables will drive most MIDI inputs, they do not provide power to MIDI Solutions products. It's best not to use these cables anyway as they don't provide a ground connection which is used as a telescoping shield to protect the MIDI data from outside interference. If you are sure your MIDI cables are ok then try connecting the MIDI Solutions product to a different MIDI device. There are a small number of products on the market that don't conform to the MIDI specification (see list below) and therefore do not provide power to the MIDI Solutions products. If you are using one of these products you can work around it by going first into another MIDI device and then Thru from that device into the MIDI Solutions product. If you don't have another MIDI device available to make these connections, the MIDI Solutions Power Adapter can provide a solution. The Power Adapter has a MIDI In, MIDI Thru, and a power connection for a wall adapter (included). The Power Adapter can be used to provide power to the MIDI Solutions products by inserting it inline between the device the doesn't provide power and the MIDI Solutions product. Following is a list of products that have been reported not to provide power to the MIDI Solutions products (some of these products are no longer in production): - Aardvark DirectPro 24/96
- Ahlborn DS-26
- Akai MPC500, MPD24, MPK49, MPK88
- Apple MIDI interface
- Alesis ControlPad, Micron, Q25, Q49
- Artisan Micro-MIDI Controller Board
- Basyn MIDI Controller
- Boss FC-50, GT-5, GT-8, GT-10, GT-Pro, RC-50
- Brunetti Vector
- Cadac A,E,F,J-Type Consoles
- Classic Organ Works MIDIjetPro
- Clavia C1, G2, Nord Electro 3, Nord G2X, Nord Stage
- CME U2MIDI, U-Key, WIDI-X8
- Dave Smith Instruments Mono Evolver Keyboard, Prophet '08, Tetra
- Digidesign 003 Factory and Rack, Command|8
- Digitech GNX4, GSP1101, VHM5
- E-MU 0404 USB 2.0, Xboard 49 and 61, Xmidi 1x1
- Echo Audiofire2, Audiofire8, Layla3G
- Edirol UM-1 and UM-2 USB MIDI Interfaces (the newer UM-1EX and UM-2EX do provide power), UA-25
- Elektron Machinedrum MK1, Monomachine MK1
- ESI MIDIMATE II
- Faderfox DJ2, DX2, LX2
- Fagerström Technopipes
- Fatar Studio-37
- Focusrite Saffire
- Fractal Audio Systems Axe-Fx Ultra
- Galanti Praeludium
- G-Lab GSC-2, GSC-3
- Hammond XK-1
- Hosa USM422
- JLCooper MCS2
- Korg KP3, earlier models of the Triton Studio, X50
- Kurzweil MIDIBoard, PC3X
- M-Audio Midisport 1x1, 2x2, 4x4 USB MIDI Interfaces (the 8x8 does provide power), ProKeys Sono 88, Radium
- Master Gaita Master Gaita
- Moog Little Phatty, Taurus 3 Bass Pedals
- Musictech Music Maker
- Novation Impulse 61, nio 2/4
- Radikal Technologies Spectralis 2
- Redpipes Classic
- Roland A-37, AX-7 (older models), FR-3, GR-20, GR-55, HD-1, JV-90, PC-160A, PC-200, PC-300, PK-5 (PK-5A does provide power), TD-4, V-Piano, VG-99
- RME Fireface 800, HDSP 9632
- Steinberg Midex 8
- Studiologic Numa Nano, TMK 88
- Tascam 2488neo, DP-02CF
- TC Electronic G-System
- TC-Helicon VoiceLive Rack
- Use Audio Plugiator
- Voce MIDI Drawbar, V3
- Yamaha 01X, AW2400, EZ-TP, GT1, GT2, KX8, NP-30, P Series keyboards, PSR275, WX7
- Zoom G9.2tt
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 22:18:35
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You may have a faulty USB to MIDI converter cable. If you bought it locally I would take it back to the store and make sure it is working. These things are mass produced and you can get a bad one occasionally. That would be very frustrating...but it might be worth a shot.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/04 22:20:20
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You must have made your last post as I was typing mine :) . You may have found your problem.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 07:12:41
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Hi all,
Sorry to hijack thread, but this q seemed to be answered, and i have a similar issue:
I have an old (mid 1990's) technics electric piano which i had running through cubasis on an XP machine with no problems.
I have now upgraded! to a nice ASUS sound card, W7 machine with sonar X1. My issue however is that the keyboard / controller doesnt seem to talk to cakewalk. i've cheked the connections, and no matter which setting or config i change those in/out lights on my screen dont flash. If I open native intruments guitar rig, it seems to register some kind of signal, when i change to ASIO (i think) mode, but wont controll properly and makes my sound do weird things. Nothing in CW however. One thing i thought might have been an issue was that only MPU-401 shows upo in the midi input in preferences. Every other list snapshot i see on the net has a whole bunch...
Is there another universal driver (i presume that is what an MPU-401 is) that i can install, or something else i can try? Oh one other thing, it connects via cables to a midi interface, and from there to the sound card (ie, not with a USB cable).
Any ideas greatly appreciated.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 08:12:11
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The more I read the list I posted it seems that it is only referring to devices that work with "midisolutions" products. Which is not the case for me. I'm going to hook up the microbook sound card and keyboard with midi cables to my desk top and see If I can still get it all to work from there. Everything is the same set up except for the midi cable. I had to get a new one as the old one died on me.
What's frustrating is the midi cable shows up and is available to select in drop down menus and is said to be operating properly.
Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 08:56:45
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MGB5
The more I read the list I posted it seems that it is only referring to devices that work with "midisolutions" products. Which is not the case for me. I'm going to hook up the microbook sound card and keyboard with midi cables to my desk top and see If I can still get it all to work from there. Everything is the same set up except for the midi cable. I had to get a new one as the old one died on me.
What's frustrating is the midi cable shows up and is available to select in drop down menus and is said to be operating properly.
Michael
Seems like the issue you found is just that you aren't getting power supplied to the midi cable. If that is the case then why not hook it up through a USB hub? I have similar cables as you and have successfully hooked them up through a hub. Ken
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 09:01:37
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Make sure the MIDI IN is plugged into the MIDI OUT port and vice versa.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 10:00:44
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daveny5
Make sure the MIDI IN is plugged into the MIDI OUT port and vice versa.
The cable I'm using has the midi in and out plugs on one end and a common usb port on the other. I have always plugged the out on the keyboard to the our cable end. I know when the cables have midi plugs at both ends, one has to remember to put the out from the source to the in of the computer or sound card and vice versa. Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 10:25:26
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If you mean you plugged the interface 'out' cable to the instrument 'out' plug, that's the problem. See posts #2 and #10, as well as #19.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 10:43:02
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I thought I tried this before and it did not help, but I will certainly try it again as soon as I get home from work. I don't think I have done it that way before though. Fingers crossed. It seems that, except for the fact that it doesn't work that everything seems to be working....if that makes any sense. Nothing is grayed out. The interface shows up in drop down menus, computer says the device is working etc.
So many helpful people here. I remember when I first started recording and the problem was so easily fixed by selecting the midi in and out. Strange that a few changes to the system can cause so much problem.
Michael
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/05 14:14:11
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try uninstalling the driver.. taking out the unit.. then using ccleaner (registry scan) and it'll clear out the bad entries.. http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/ reboot WITHOUT the interface in.. run the driver install **BUT** right click "run as admin" ... after it's installed , shut down.. plug in the thing and you should get the "found" device dialog.. failing that i'd say get another interface.. they aren't that expensive,and life is too short :) . I went with a cakewalk 3 port one. no issue with it. I didn't go with the m-audio ones since they dropped their drivers with last one , trying to get people to buy a new interface.. (what a waste) some will use the windows driver and an advanced one (some of the cakewalk one does that) IF you can't get the advanced one to work.
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Re:midi won't communicate
2012/03/06 16:56:17
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Thank you too all who have helped me with this problem. I finally gave up and bought a new (although the emu interface was brand new too!) interface. I bought a midimate2 and it worked instanlty like a charm. So either the other one was faulty or just would not work on my system for some strange reason. Well, that's a lot of stress of me. Thanks again.
Michael
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