mixing down from midi to audio

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2015/03/17 18:43:05 (permalink)

mixing down from midi to audio

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is there a way of mixing down multiple midi tracks into MULTIPLE audio tracks in ONE SINGLE OPERATION in sonar 8.5? doing one track at a time seems unnecessarily coplicated.
 
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    Wouter Schijns
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 20:24:35 (permalink)
    I"m in X series Sonar, but hoping in track view, there you can choose the 'track' tab, and select 'bounce to tracks'.
    In X series you get a window that let's you choose to bounce to multiple tracks....have a try
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 21:07:15 (permalink)
    i can only get to "bounce to tracks" from the "edit" menu (when i click on "track view", nothing happens) so i still can't find a way to do it. it would be really great if i could, would save me a lot of time. maybe i should upgrade. but thanks anyway:-)
     
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 21:14:56 (permalink)
    have you tried the 'tracks' tab (it's a litle further to the right from the 'edit' tab) ? I'd say 'bounce to tracks' is there...
     
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 21:40:26 (permalink)
    nope, not even in the sub meny.
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 21:49:15 (permalink)
    think I got it now, just go to 'bounce to tracks' from the edit menu, just as long as you get the 'bounce to tracks' dialog box....there you can select what you're looking for...
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 22:28:16 (permalink)
    yes i tried that, but i weren't able to get the separate midi tracks down to the audio tracks. all audio tracks recorded the same midi tracks. but thanks again:-)
     
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 22:34:34 (permalink)
    in dialog box did you choose 'new track' on destination + source 'tracks' ?
    small chance by freezing the midi tracks, in the freezing Sonar makes them audio files....guess not (can you even freeze midi ?)
    post edited by Wouter Schijns - 2015/03/17 22:42:11
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 23:01:03 (permalink)
    oh i realized i may not have made myself clear here: i actually ment RECORDING multiple midi files into multiple audio files. sorry.
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/17 23:18:59 (permalink)
    Reading your last post I'm not sure if bouncing tracks is what you want to do or something else, but if it is bouncing existing pairs of MIDI and audio tracks associated with a synth, try this.
     
    First create a set of new, empty audio tracks starting after the last existing track (so if you've 6 tracks you want to bounce create 6 new tracks, numbered 7-12).
     
    Select the tracks you want to bounce so that the blue indicator where the track number is lights up. Make sure that at least one, better all, trakcs have enough blank space at the end to accomodate any effect tails from delay, reverb etc.
     
    RIght click on a track header and select "bounce to tracks" or pick it from the tracks menu in the main or tracks screenset. In the bounce dialogue select "tracks" as the source. Sonar will fill in the box with the selected tracks.
     
    For the destination pulldown menu select the first of the new, empty tracks.
     
    Then bounce. If your copy of Sonar works the same as mine just did when I tried this (and if my explanation's clear enough) it will then bounce each selected track into a different destination track, so track 1 gets bounced to track 7, track 2 to track 8 and so on.
     
    Alternatively, you could just go down the relevant synth tracks hitting "freeze" for each of them, which is quicker than bouncing a track at a time and will do pretty much the same thing.
     
     If you want to record MIDI into audio "live" then Sonar doesn't work like that. Which is a bit of a debating point round here at the moment :-). Basically, to convert a synth to audio you bounce the synth's MIDI track and the audio track that contains the synth. Or if you're using the combined "instrument" tracks then you bounce them.
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 00:19:20 (permalink)
    tried it but it didn't work. i've sent your explanation to a friend of mine with a newer version of sonar, so he can try it out. thanks a lot:-)
     
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 03:16:30 (permalink)
    I'm not sure now, but I assume the MIDI tracks should all be on separate MIDI channels in order to be bounced on separate tracks (??). The OP doesn't tell if that is the case. I'm almost sure I've in the past bounced to separate tracks that way and choosing "Tracks" as the bounce source.

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 07:06:24 (permalink)
    We don't even know if it's soft synths he's trying to bounce or some other midi generated audio.
     
    If it's soft synths, just freeze them - it takes a couple of seconds to do a single synth!

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 12:04:19 (permalink)
    Good point Jonesey.
    Paul, which synth are you using?
    What you are describing would be the expected behavior for TTS-1 with all channels set to output 1.
    I suspect your problem stems from a configuration issue.
    Tell us what you are working with, and please include as much detail as you can.

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 12:42:34 (permalink)
    I keep 8.5 installed on this old beater I use for internet so I just fired it up. I loaded a midi multi track song and inserted the TTs-1 using the multi output mono output option. This creates 8 tracks of tts-1 called a folder I think. 
    The TTs-1 has 4 stereo outs and if you pan tracks you can create 8 mono mixes. Or 6 mono and one stereo etc. 
    The Bounce to track feature in 8.5 only seems to have 1 track as the output option just as the op is stating. So this results in a one track stereo mix only. SOmeone could possibly test a new version of Sonar to see if this has changed, I will later but it might take all day to reply. 
     
    But freezing the TTs-1 resulted in 8 audio tracks in the tts-1 track folder. So that's the fastest way to do this for sure. If you are using more than one soft synth you will have to perform the freeze for each synth. Please do not complain that that's too slow for you, you'll get no sympathy from this old geezer who is amazed at how fast things happen now a day's!! 
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 18:13:54 (permalink)
    i always use separate channels for my midi tracks. but according to a friend of mine, i need a soundcard with multiple outputs (or softsynth) to bounce/record multiple midi tracks into multiple audio tracks in one single operation.
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 18:19:36 (permalink)
    That's not entirely accurate, but there may be some truth to it, depending on what you are working with.
    Again, what synth are you using?

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 18:37:59 (permalink)
    i'm not using any synth, just the sounds from my all-in-one interface/soundbox. that may be a part of the problem, since it doesn't have multiple outputs.
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 18:52:58 (permalink)
    Ok, we are slowly getting somewhere. Yes, that is the problem. You cannot bounce from the syth on the sound card(Microsoft Wavetable Synth?)
    You are using a synth, but it's not obvious if you are not familiar with it. MIDI on its own cannot create sound. It is just instructions being sent to a synth of some kind.
    What is the output of your MIDI track(s) set to?
    Multiple outputs on your soundcard are not the issue. Proper routing and understanding how this works will get you going. 
    We can help with that.
    Please give us specifics on your system, especially the sound card.
     
    ps: standing by with Sonar 8 open on my older machine. Setup is not the same as newer versions.
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 19:53:50 (permalink)
    i'm using a roland sd-50, it'a combinated soundcard/interface with integrated sounds. my midi tracks outputs are set to this device.
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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 20:22:52 (permalink)
    Ok, good. Thanks, that's important.
    I need to check the manual on the SD50, but you have given us something to work with.
    Bounce is not an option with external hardware. That only works with softsynths.
    You should be able to record the audio output in real time from the SD50(which you have acknowledged).
    The kicker is going to be how the SD50 presents its synth outputs to Sonar.
    I'll be back.

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 21:18:47 (permalink)
    Well, in Roland style, the manual is somewhat vague.
    It appears that your synth may have 4 virtual outputs (1L,1R,2L,2R). You would need to assign the instrument outputs in the SD50 to one of these.
    in Sonar8.5, click Options>Audio>Drivers.
    What do you see?

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/18 21:19:54 (permalink)
    Best advice I can offer is to forget the Roland Sound card and try inserting the TTS-1. It will work much better for you and the sounds are actually based on Roland sounds anyhow so they will be the same if not better. The world of soft synths is much better than using a sound cards lame midi as a source. We left that behind in 1998?   
    Go to VEIWS/ SYNTH RACK/  + soft synths  / TTS-1 and choose the "all synth audio output mono" in the dialog.  
     

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/19 01:17:22 (permalink)
    Hay all.
    Not sure about this, I did try it out, and it seemed to work for me...as I do not know how to yet bounce midi to audio yet in sonar.
     
    I opened up a old midi file of xg type to play with vsti and get to work on setting it up with differing things like AD2 for drums.
     
    I was able to select the AD2 output as a audio track input...and record it.
    Did that for the bass, Viola, and Cellos....Worked ok for me so far.,....But I do have a very good audio setup with lots of ways to route things.
     
    Just thought I would chime in...just in case all else fails.

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/19 21:14:22 (permalink)
    I think what you're really trying to do isn't bouncing at all, but rather recording a sound module's outputs while simultaneously triggering it.  If the SD50's on-board sounds can be routed to its outputs, you could send those outputs to the inputs of audio tracks in SONAR and record those results while the MIDI tracks are sending their data to the SD50.   Assuming the SD50 can do this, of course. 

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    Re: mixing down from midi to audio 2015/03/20 02:32:14 (permalink)
    That's it in a nutshell, Steve.
    Even the Op suggested he may be barking up the wrong tree in an earlier post.
    It boils down to what outputs the SD-50 presents to Sonar.
    As Johnny noted, it would be much easier to use VST instruments such as TTS-1.
    The exciting thing here is that I think Paul is on the verge of discovering just exactly what he has his hands on.

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