multiple midi-out vst bug fixed?

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2012/10/06 09:17:43 (permalink)

multiple midi-out vst bug fixed?

hi, i'm wondering if the contentious "multiple VSTs using MIDI out" bug is fixed in x2? i don't have x2 yet so can't test this myself, but it's easily done by downloading, say, JamStix demo, Kirnu (free) or Catanya demo, to test this... thanks in advance! p

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    robert_e_bone
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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/06 10:17:05 (permalink)
    Can you point me to a thread discussing this issue?  Or explain it to me?  Perhaps I can assist - certainly to test something in X2 to see if an issue is still present.

    But I would like to have a hint as to what the problem is,

    Thanks, I have time this morning to do some testing.

    Bob Bone

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/06 10:22:50 (permalink)
    hi bob, thanks for replying... please see, e.g.,  this thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1952618 - thanks for checking this! :)

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/06 10:49:07 (permalink)
    Well, I will try to download the Catanya plugin a bit later this morning, and will try to see what's what with it in X2.

    I am a bit confused as to why you refer to this as "multiple VST's using midi out", as it seems to be more of a question of using multiple instances of this particular plug in.  Maybe I am not getting something.

    I have thus far in X2 had projects with as many as 5 instances of the same plugin (Kontakt 5), with no problem, and also multiple copies of Rapture - using arpeggiated presets, with no trouble - for whatever the worth.

    Anyways, I will let you know what happens in a couple of hours or so.  I have been up for many hours now, and it's nappy time.

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/06 10:54:48 (permalink)
    it's about using more than one VST that sends MIDI out, ie, "multiple VSTs using MIDI out", it doesn't have to be the same VST... thanks for looking :)

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/07 03:15:49 (permalink)
    can anyone recreate this, or is it fixed now? thx :)

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/07 03:41:57 (permalink)
    I am sorry it is taking so long to test this out for you.  I have to finish laying bass tracks for a rather complex fusion tune that's in 9/8 and has all kinds of syncopated notes.

    If I can finish that up today I will try to test this stuff out for you and post results - would at best be later today, might not be until tomorrow.  

    But I will do it for you, just will take a bit longer than I wanted.

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/07 03:52:16 (permalink)
    thanks bob, much appreciated :)

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 06:53:04 (permalink)
    any insights yet?

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 07:18:27 (permalink)
    Sorry I have taken SOOOO long.

    I will go get a GIANT cup of coffee and try to do all of this for you this morning - like right after I step down the hall for a moment.

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 08:20:19 (permalink)
    Hey - I tried getting Catanya to show up in Sonar, and can't seem to find it ANYWHERE.

    I downloaded the demo and installed it - it automatically went to the C:/Program Files (x86)/Cake/Vstplugins folder.

    I opened Sonar X2 and made sure that the path was in the VST scan paths, then did a scan of VST folders (it scans anyways at startup, but I went ahead and did it anyway).

    I cannot get it to show up as an effect or a synth or as anything.

    I even tried the Red Robin call, to see it would show up and say 'yum'!

    Please detail the steps for me to get this able to be pulled in to a Sonar project.  I can do the reconfigure stuff, if needed, but it is just not showing up.

    I cannot assist in solving your issue with Catanya if I cannot get it to show up on my system.

    Thanks, 

    Bob Bone


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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 08:37:28 (permalink)
    Did some more digging - Catanya does not work in 64-bit Sonar.  I do not have 32-bit X2 installed, so I am afraid I cannot assist you after all with this.


    Sorry - wish you good luck in getting past your issues here.

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 09:44:40 (permalink)
    hi, thanks for trying, may be i wasn't clear that catanya is just an example, you could use any VST that sends midi out :)

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 09:45:48 (permalink)
    If you have any others to have me try, I would be happy to.

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 10:00:05 (permalink)
    After looking at the other thread and losing the will to live, I've just tried to run Jamstix and Kirnu at the same time. With this configuration, I can't record the midi from Jamstix, and have crashed Sonar several times.

    So I don't really understand what the original problem was, but these 2 midi out plugins don't appear to work happily together. Of course, it might be a problem with one or both of the plugins, which is why someone in the other thread suggested trying different combinations. I don't have any other plugs that produce midi.

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 10:17:52 (permalink)
    I am in the process of getting ready to try out the dreaded Jamstix/Kimu Killer Kombo, to see what happens on my Win7 x64 X2 x64 system.

    Can you please tell me what I need to do in X2 to test them out?

    Thanks - I have no probs using my system to try to help you guys - I just confess to having NO clue as to how to use these guys.  So far, it seems trickier than unclasping someone's bra one-handed without looking, while they are dancing, and parts of the bra are trapped under rolls of yeasty unwashed fat... aaaarrrrgggghhh

    I appreciate someone posting some configuration and basic use steps for this test - sorry about any mental images I may have seared into your brains.  (well, not really sorry I suppose - I got a mean streak - hee hee)

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 10:31:35 (permalink)
    Bigdogs, here are two snippets from the Jamstix documentation:

    1.  When the host plays, Jamstix plays. The resulting arrangement is stored within Jamstix so there is no need to
    record its performance in the host. Simply load/save your host project and the Jamstix arrangement is automatically saved and recalled.

    2.  Furthermore, Jamstix allows you to drag-&-drop bars, parts or a whole song to the host to get
    MIDI clips of those items for further use in the host outside of Jamstix.

    From this, it would seem that they have some other way of getting a hold of its apparently internally-stored clips to somehow paste them into other tracks that you could manipulate outside of Jamstix.

    At least, that is how I read that.

    Have you tried working with its output as they describe?

    They do not seem to have any links to online doc, but if you still have it on your system, take a spin through there and let me know what you think.

    Bob Bone

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 11:37:49 (permalink)
    Hi Bob,
    It's the MIDI out functionality that the OP was talking about  rather than the particular VSTi. I was just using Jamstix because it happens to have MIDI out

    I'm familiar those ways of working with Jamstix, however Sonar doesn't appear to support MIDI drag and drop from Jamsitx ( I've got Jamstix 2, it might work in the latest version).

    When Jamstix is in a project without Kirnu, I can record the midi directly from Jamstix (via its MIDI out) so that I can edit the midi and just use Jamstix as a sample player (or replace it with SSD). You need the MIDI to be able to bounce to audio, and I can't get your point 2. to work.

    To test the combination:

    load Jamstix and Kirnu, checking Enable MIDI out in both cases, and, for clarity, using separate MIDI and Audio tracks rather than an Instrument track.

    Load a synth, and change its MIDI in to Kirnu omni.

    Load a patch into Kirnu

    Click Echo on for Kirnu and the synth - you should be able to play your synth, which will respond to midi from kirnu, while Jamstix does its thing. However, if I try to record e.g. the Jamstix midi out, I get no midi, and often I get Sonar to crash. Sonar is otherwise stable for me, and, as I said earlier, I can normally record the midi out from Jamstix, so long as it's not competing with kirnu.

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 11:51:17 (permalink)
    I'll try to understand this - and will let you know what happens - look for a puff of smoke on the horizon - that will be my computer.

    Bob Bone


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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 12:41:28 (permalink)
    hi guys, thanks for trying, and yes as simon says it's no vst in particular, rather those that send midi out... also, i believe the drag'n'drop works in v3 jamstix (and there's a x64 native beta avaiable to reg users) p

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    Re:multiple midi-out vst bug fixed? 2012/10/13 14:43:43 (permalink)
    This is just not what I do with Sonar - I'm sorry I don't have better help on this.

    Bob Bone

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