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2005/09/10 21:33:20 (permalink)

need help with sound card

I've just recentally bought music creator 2 and I cant get it working i have a sigmatel audio for my sound playback and sound recording and my midi music playback is a microsoft gs wavetable sw synth everytime i start music maker it says Audio Driver Error the following drivers either dont support current audio format or is in use by another application then it lists sigmatel audio and im not using it in another program and i cant get my midi ouputs setted every time i click ok the message pops up again can someone help
post edited by Dahoyters - 2005/09/10 21:40:44
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    Robomusic
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    RE: need help with sound card 2005/09/11 01:44:31 (permalink)
    Basic beginners setup tutorial:

    When you first get MC there are a few things that will be necessary to get it up and running. First to install it you need to fake out your computer to make it think it has an older version of DirectX already installed, usually it is not necessary to actually install the older version, just go to support/music creator/FAQ/ and find the link for “directX 8.1 was not detected on your system” there is a patch there download it to a folder of choice and with the installation CD in the rom driver double click that file and it will install off the CD making the computer think it has directX 8.1 . Actually you will still have DirectX9, and MC will not care in the least.

    Now for audio, midi playback and recording setup. Open the program it will usually run the wave profiler for you the first time you open it. You will get two pop ups to start with first a Tip of the day box will display, if you want you can scan thru a few of those, when done close it then a project box will display, close that also. Go to the top of the screen and find options, left click that and a box will appear, find audio click that and another box will display it has several tabs at the top the first is “general”, you will see two thin boxes that are named playback and record wave devices, they should contain the name of your sound card, if it does not then run the wave profiler again to see if it adds it. Once that is right set the buffer slider to around the middle to start with that will save another problem later. Go to the advanced tab and check the box “Always use the MME interface even when WDM drivers are available” this will force the system to use the older windows MME drivers just incase your sound card does not support the newer WDM drivers, and will give you another option for midi playback. Now go to the input monitoring tab and un-highlight anything in the large white box, proceed to the drivers and driver profile tabs and make sure that your sound card is listed there as well, click okay and go back to options/midi devices, here a box will display that has two side one for midi input and the other for output, if using a midi keyboard you will need to highlight the input that the keyboard is plugged into, for out put if your sound card has it’s own midi synth chip you can highlight that, if not highlight Microsoft synth GS, that is an internal synth chip that will playback midi. DO NOT highlight Midi Mapper, it does not play sounds. Now the program should reproduce both midi playback and wave file output.

    One point to remember is that midi is not sound, a midi track or file is just a complex data stream, that tells a synth chip what note, instrument, volume, timing, velocity, etc. to play at, it takes some kind of instrument that can read and process that data and produce sound from it like a synth or keyboard. Audio files are actual recordings of sound waves on the hard drive, the two are vastly different, MC is a program that brings the two worlds together to co-exist.

    Take the time to go and do the tutorials they will give you a solid basis for using MC. A lot of the folks that come here are beginners, and have read the box that says this is a snap and will have you making songs in a few minutes, while that can be true if your system is setup right, computer recording is complicated and has many variables. Be patient and ask questions, read many posts, and find other sites that are related to music, I personally have bookmarked 7 different forums that I participate in and many are far advanced over my thick head, so I am learning everyday.


    Recording Your First Audio Tracks

    Now that you have MC up and running and can play the sample tutorials, you are ready to record audio data; we will assume that you will be recording (a) a Guitar and (b) a Microphone.

    Hooking Your Instrument Into Your Computer for Audio Recording
    In order to input audio data into your computer, you will need to connect your instrument to your soundcard. Although there are many advanced ways to do this (with pre-amplifiers and mixers and advanced soundcards) we will assume that you are plugging your instrument or microphone directly into the standard type of soundcard that comes with most computers. Your soundcard should at a minimum have two (and may have more inputs) 1/8" inputs (that's the same size as a plug for a pair of headphones). One of the inputs will have a picture of a microphone or will say "mic" (We'll call this the "Mic Input") and the other will say "line-in" (we'll call this the "Line-In Input").

    Recording Your Guitar

    Your guitar cord is a mono cord with 1/4" jacks (the big ones). You will likely need to buy a mono 1/4" jack to 1/8" stereo jack adapter (go to Radioshack, they have it). Once you have the adapter on, plug your guitar cord into the Line-In Input. Now read the following:

    http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Lessons/WindowsMixer.asp

    Now you should know how to activate the Line-In recording function of the windows mixer - do that now.
    Go into MC and arm an audio track (how to do that is another lesson I guess) - you should now be able to hear and record your guitar.

    Recording Your Microphone

    Your microphone may or may not need the adapter jack. If it does not, and the end of your microphone is already equipped with an 1/8" jack, please plug that into the Mic Input (if it is not, you will need to buy a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" adapter). Now go to the windows mixer and activate the Microphone recording function of the windows mixer.
    Go into MC and arm an audio track - you should now be able to hear and record your voice.

    Afterthoughts

    The above is very basic and once you are able to do the above you should note the following:
    - The Mic Input is a soundcard input that has a pre-amplifier built in that boosts the level of the signal from the microphone. Since most basic soundcards stink, you may want to invest in a mixer or pre-amplifier that will do this independently. If you do this, you would record the microphone (hooking the output from the preamp or mixer) directly into the Line-In Input. Also, you may want to plug your guitar into an amp, preamp, mixer or a combination of all of these before plugging it into the Line-In Input to achieve better sound results."
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    Dahoyters
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    RE: need help with sound card 2005/09/11 10:07:35 (permalink)
    Thanks i really appriciate the help, now i dont have to save the file and listen to it in media player i still dont have any options for inputs how do i set that it would be nice to not have to use windows sound recorder, thanks
    post edited by Dahoyters - 2005/09/11 11:08:40
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    RE: need help with sound card 2005/09/11 14:43:01 (permalink)
    Under the options tab, the choices are midi devices, audio, instruments, projects, global. etc click the audio one and see what is there, there should be tabs named general, advanced, input monitoring, drivers, driver profiles, these need to be set up, and the correct drivers chosen. In the general tab, under playback and record chose the name of the sound card or something related as the input and output drivers, make sure that theseare also listed in the drivers and drivers profile tab, also the wave profiler button should set these up, but make sure that they are right.

    Then under midi devices there should be two boxes, inputs and outputs, both of these need to have something highlighted, usually the sound card, if not using an external device.
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    RE: need help with sound card 2005/09/11 16:38:41 (permalink)
    thanks but i found it out by fooling around with mc i appricate all the help
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    RE: need help with sound card 2005/09/15 09:46:56 (permalink)
    i have a soundblaster audigy sound card installed in my computer and i want to conect a roland sc7 sound moduel how do i conect the sc7 in to my system
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    RE: need help with sound card 2005/09/15 18:39:30 (permalink)
    I have never seen a roland sc7, but i imagine it is a hardware version of the Roland sound canvas, Look on the back and find the midi in and Out, then connect the computers midi in to the Rolands out, and the Computers out to the Rolands in, then connect a RCA cord from the audio out of the Roland to the Line in on the sound card, you will be good to go
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    RE: need help with sound card 2005/09/15 19:18:24 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Robomusic

    I have never seen a roland sc7, but i imagine it is a hardware version of the Roland sound canvas, Look on the back and find the midi in and Out, then connect the computers midi in to the Rolands out, and the Computers out to the Rolands in, then connect a RCA cord from the audio out of the Roland to the Line in on the sound card, you will be good to go


    This is what I see happening reading these instructions:

    Guys all wrapped up in the Twister pose - arms all twisted, one leg behind his head, cords intertwined and wrapped around him, standing on one leg between his coomputer and the SC7 - looking at the directions saying, "This goes where?"

    Jeff
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