Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
How many of you Overclock your processors? did you OC it yourself or did you purchase it that way (i.e. thru Studio Cat or ADK, etc)?
if you did it yourself, how did you learn how to do it? what settings did you use? what board/bios are you using and what is your final speed? is it worth it? do you have better cooling than what ships with mfg?
what else?
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 12:15:25
(permalink)
Beagle
How many of you Overclock your processors? did you OC it yourself or did you purchase it that way (i.e. thru Studio Cat or ADK, etc)?
if you did it yourself, how did you learn how to do it? what settings did you use? what board/bios are you using and what is your final speed? is it worth it? do you have better cooling than what ships with mfg?
what else?
I have an H67 chipset which limits me from the outset, I just use the included ASUS Turbo EVO and let it do its thing. I'm using a stock cooler with that and it is fine, if I felt the need for speed I'd upgrade the cooler no doubt, and I'd have to change MB too. I might do that mid-life on this box but at the moment I'm spoiled with just the stock setup. I'm not short on processing power just yet.
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 12:17:54
(permalink)
nope... to the best of my knowledge, I'm running at stock speed. no overclocking here.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
Alegria
Max Output Level: -54.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2075
- Joined: 2008/11/07 12:57:49
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 12:29:46
(permalink)
Not needed with an 17 2600K, as of yet anyways. And if I do in the future, this feature is well documented by the board manufacturer and there's always the many dedicated overclocking forums to help out if need be. And I don't use the stock cooler but rather a Noctua cooling solution, since I still use the onboard graphics which does generate some extra CPU heat.
For those considering using a DAW builder for their overclocking needs, there's a charge of around $125.00 USD if memory serves me right.
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 12:31:59
(permalink)
When Jim Roseberry help me setup my new mobo he only said OC was an option but said (paraphrased) "you'd probably never need it".
I7 2600K here.
|
drewfx1
Max Output Level: -9.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6585
- Joined: 2008/08/04 16:19:11
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 12:39:27
(permalink)
I don't see any point to doing it.
You only gain a modest speed increase and if you're running a DAW right on the borderline, you're probably much better off with a significantly faster CPU.
 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 12:52:01
(permalink)
drewfx1
I don't see any point to doing it.
You only gain a modest speed increase and if you're running a DAW right on the borderline, you're probably much better off with a significantly faster CPU.
I didn't think there were any significantly faster CPUs than 3.3GHz? I'm currently running an i5 2500K. they only go up to 3.8GHz right now don't they? (stock speed, not OC'd).
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 12:56:26
(permalink)
Beagle
drewfx1
I don't see any point to doing it.
You only gain a modest speed increase and if you're running a DAW right on the borderline, you're probably much better off with a significantly faster CPU.
I didn't think there were any significantly faster CPUs than 3.3GHz? I'm currently running an i5 2500K. they only go up to 3.8GHz right now don't they? (stock speed, not OC'd).
That i5 of yours is only around 10% short of the performance of an i7 2600k Are you having specific issues with CPU utilization? That chip is no slouch you know.
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 13:02:18
(permalink)
Nope, I'm just OC curious.
the Asus P8P67 board and the i5 is SUPPOSED to be able to do "turbo mode' to 3.7GHz, but I've not tried that either.
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 13:07:50
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
Beagle
Nope, I'm just OC curious.
the Asus P8P67 board and the i5 is SUPPOSED to be able to do "turbo mode' to 3.7GHz, but I've not tried that either.
Just run the Auto System Level Up on the Turbo EVO option and it will set you up with the defaults for that. Mine runs all day long on a stock cooler like that. Monitor your temps before and after just to be sure you are OK for a coupla days and you'll be flying. You can always revert back if you don't feel comfortable with it. For even more peace of mind invest in a better cooler which will certainly bring the temps down even if you are still operating within good boundaries, the cooler the better, besides the stock cooler will sound like a tractor at full utilization. But seriously there's no need to be scared of what ASUS calls 'Turbo mode', I think of it as the optimised defaults. You'll probably find that in real terms it comes in at around 3.4Ghz rather than 3.7 too.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/04/12 13:19:49
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
spacealf
Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2133
- Joined: 2010/11/18 17:44:34
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 13:14:58
(permalink)
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 21:50:34
(permalink)
Jonbouy
Beagle
Nope, I'm just OC curious.
the Asus P8P67 board and the i5 is SUPPOSED to be able to do "turbo mode' to 3.7GHz, but I've not tried that either.
Just run the Auto System Level Up on the Turbo EVO option and it will set you up with the defaults for that. Mine runs all day long on a stock cooler like that.
Monitor your temps before and after just to be sure you are OK for a coupla days and you'll be flying. You can always revert back if you don't feel comfortable with it. For even more peace of mind invest in a better cooler which will certainly bring the temps down even if you are still operating within good boundaries, the cooler the better, besides the stock cooler will sound like a tractor at full utilization.
But seriously there's no need to be scared of what ASUS calls 'Turbo mode', I think of it as the optimised defaults. You'll probably find that in real terms it comes in at around 3.4Ghz rather than 3.7 too.
is it supposed to be "variable?" I used the Asus AI Suite II to change it to "EXTREME" mode and it got it up to 4.5GHz, but it doesn't stay there, it goes back down to 1.7GHz when idling. when I load it it goes back up to 4.5. but it might drop back down if I load it further, I'm not loading it hard yet. should I have chosen "FAST" instead? or is this a good setting?
|
daryl1968
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10984
- Joined: 2010/06/01 22:51:43
- Location: Englishman in deepest, darkest Wales
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 23:21:36
(permalink)
|
Old55
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 19791
- Joined: 2008/09/19 20:10:05
- Location: Californiashire
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/12 23:54:05
(permalink)
Not yet, anyway. I used to be dead set against overclocking. I figured the extra heat would shorten the life of the CPU/mobo. Back then, we used to use keep a PC for a few years and upgrade them. These days with new technology making the things obsolete so quickly, it doesn't matter any more. I may try it for my next rig, but I tend to go for quiet over speed these days.
Should auld acquaintance be forgot--hey, who the hell are you guys? X2(X3 pending hardware upgrade), Emulator X2, E-mu 1212M, Virtual String Machine
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 07:02:12
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
Beagle
Jonbouy
Beagle
Nope, I'm just OC curious.
the Asus P8P67 board and the i5 is SUPPOSED to be able to do "turbo mode' to 3.7GHz, but I've not tried that either.
Just run the Auto System Level Up on the Turbo EVO option and it will set you up with the defaults for that. Mine runs all day long on a stock cooler like that.
Monitor your temps before and after just to be sure you are OK for a coupla days and you'll be flying. You can always revert back if you don't feel comfortable with it. For even more peace of mind invest in a better cooler which will certainly bring the temps down even if you are still operating within good boundaries, the cooler the better, besides the stock cooler will sound like a tractor at full utilization.
But seriously there's no need to be scared of what ASUS calls 'Turbo mode', I think of it as the optimised defaults. You'll probably find that in real terms it comes in at around 3.4Ghz rather than 3.7 too.
is it supposed to be "variable?" I used the Asus AI Suite II to change it to "EXTREME" mode and it got it up to 4.5GHz, but it doesn't stay there, it goes back down to 1.7GHz when idling. when I load it it goes back up to 4.5. but it might drop back down if I load it further, I'm not loading it hard yet.
should I have chosen "FAST" instead? or is this a good setting?
Beag going up to 4.5 max on a stock cooler is not too clever. Set it to something milder or less extreme until you are equipped with a good after-market cooler. The speed will be variable (dynamic) as it gets determined automatically by the processor load and cores in use. And keep an eye on the temperatures under load until you are happy you haven't just invented a new becan fryer. My CPU temperature maxes out at around 70C under sustained load (e.g a 3d game maxed out) but I do have two big case fans blowing over the CPU cooler, one pulling air in and one blowing it out again. During my normal audio use it goes between 30-50 degrees C. Like I said on an H67 board +15% on the stock CPU speed is as good as it is going to get so it stays in the safe zone, hence mine is maxed out, on a P67 board you are less limited so should be more inclined toward a bit of caution so as not to go over the top. If you want to put your mind at rest just get a decent after-market ( Am?) cooler and play around. Scott recommend a Noctua one to me FWIW.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/04/13 07:19:57
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 07:19:51
(permalink)
I overclock. But my honest recommendation is that most people should either not do it, or get someone else to set it up for them. Do not go looking for quick guides on the web and easy settings and what have you; that way pain and misery lie. There is a lot to understand, it takes time to learn, and it's not an especially quick process. If messing around with computer hardware at a deep level isn't something you're already into, this is a really bad place to start.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 07:25:13
(permalink)
On the question of how to learn. There are a number of good forums where you can dig up guides to the principals of overclocking. Tom's Hardware is a good one. If you're completely new to it, start reading that kind of stuff, but plan to do no actual overclocking for *at least* a few months. You'll either get bored with the research or start to understand it well enough to do with reasonable confidence.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 07:26:54
(permalink)
John T
I overclock. But my honest recommendation is that most people should either not do it, or get someone else to set it up for them. Do not go looking for quick guides on the web and easy settings and what have you; that way pain and misery lie. There is a lot to understand, it takes time to learn, and it's not an especially quick process. If messing around with computer hardware at a deep level isn't something you're already into, this is a really bad place to start.
I abosolutely agree with that. What we are talking here is the ASUS system level up tool which doesn't get too into the finer intricacies of over-clocking which as you say is a domain of the hardware savvy. This feature of ASUS boards is just to get you in a better ball park and takes much of the guess work out by matching CPU, memory timings, iGPU, BIOS yadda, yadda into a safe optimized set of defaults. It's not for ultimate speed freaks to get the last ounce out, it's safe if used conservatively and it works reliably. It doesn't mess with any of the nasty things like core voltages, XMP/memory voltages or any of the things that will turn you computer into a temporary, one night only, storage heater. You can also take it back to (boring) factory defaults in the time it takes to say 'reset button'.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/04/13 07:39:07
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 07:55:56
(permalink)
John T
I overclock. But my honest recommendation is that most people should either not do it, or get someone else to set it up for them. Do not go looking for quick guides on the web and easy settings and what have you; that way pain and misery lie. There is a lot to understand, it takes time to learn, and it's not an especially quick process. If messing around with computer hardware at a deep level isn't something you're already into, this is a really bad place to start.
I agree, that's why I'm asking. I don't want to screw my system up just from curiosity of OC. but as JB says, that's why I think I'm going the route that he's talking about, it seems pretty safe without pushing limits.
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 08:00:35
(permalink)
Jonbouy
Beagle
Jonbouy
Beagle
Nope, I'm just OC curious.
the Asus P8P67 board and the i5 is SUPPOSED to be able to do "turbo mode' to 3.7GHz, but I've not tried that either.
Just run the Auto System Level Up on the Turbo EVO option and it will set you up with the defaults for that. Mine runs all day long on a stock cooler like that.
Monitor your temps before and after just to be sure you are OK for a coupla days and you'll be flying. You can always revert back if you don't feel comfortable with it. For even more peace of mind invest in a better cooler which will certainly bring the temps down even if you are still operating within good boundaries, the cooler the better, besides the stock cooler will sound like a tractor at full utilization.
But seriously there's no need to be scared of what ASUS calls 'Turbo mode', I think of it as the optimised defaults. You'll probably find that in real terms it comes in at around 3.4Ghz rather than 3.7 too.
is it supposed to be "variable?" I used the Asus AI Suite II to change it to "EXTREME" mode and it got it up to 4.5GHz, but it doesn't stay there, it goes back down to 1.7GHz when idling. when I load it it goes back up to 4.5. but it might drop back down if I load it further, I'm not loading it hard yet.
should I have chosen "FAST" instead? or is this a good setting?
Beag going up to 4.5 max on a stock cooler is not too clever.
Set it to something milder or less extreme until you are equipped with a good after-market cooler.
The speed will be variable (dynamic) as it gets determined automatically by the processor load and cores in use.
And keep an eye on the temperatures under load until you are happy you haven't just invented a new becan fryer.
My CPU temperature maxes out at around 70C under sustained load (e.g a 3d game maxed out) but I do have two big case fans blowing over the CPU cooler, one pulling air in and one blowing it out again.
During my normal audio use it goes between 30-50 degrees C.
Like I said on an H67 board +15% on the stock CPU speed is as good as it is going to get so it stays in the safe zone, hence mine is maxed out, on a P67 board you are less limited so should be more inclined toward a bit of caution so as not to go over the top.
If you want to put your mind at rest just get a decent after-market (Am?) cooler and play around. Scott recommend a Noctua one to me FWIW.
That's what I was thinking (re: 4.5GHz with stock cooler). so I changed it back to the "FAST" profile which is not as aggressive. Remembering when I installed the stock cooler doesn't instill me with enthusiasm to replace it unless there's a problem with it, so I think I'll stick with the stock cooler and just use the less aggressive ASUS OC settings. I do have 2 case fans, one blowing in and one blowing out as well. they're only 80mm but they're sufficient, I think (the stock CPU fan is 120mm). I'll keep an eye on the temps. thanks!
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 08:09:30
(permalink)
Beagle
John T
I overclock. But my honest recommendation is that most people should either not do it, or get someone else to set it up for them. Do not go looking for quick guides on the web and easy settings and what have you; that way pain and misery lie. There is a lot to understand, it takes time to learn, and it's not an especially quick process. If messing around with computer hardware at a deep level isn't something you're already into, this is a really bad place to start.
I agree, that's why I'm asking. I don't want to screw my system up just from curiosity of OC.
but as JB says, that's why I think I'm going the route that he's talking about, it seems pretty safe without pushing limits.
Beag, I'm going by my experience with the ASUS tools nothing more. I know you are recovering from a nasty crash I'd not be mentioning any of it if I felt it was going to compound your misery. Funnily enough in my understanding had you used to automated tools when you added the memory you likely wouldn't have even suffered that mishap. Clicking the MemOK button after the installation of the new DDR stick would have aggregated the figures for the installed modules allowing it to run at the lowest common denominators for ALL the memory installed followed that with the system level-up and it is likely you'd have been good to go from there. Aside from the obvious clock multiplier aspect which I've already advised against taking too far no bona-fide system over-clocker would call the ASUS tool anything like what he'd call 'over-clocking'. ASUS put that stuff there specifically for end-users if it added to their support demands for fried motherboards I would bet they would have taken it all away by now... 
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/04/13 08:10:49
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 08:13:01
(permalink)
|
trimph1
Max Output Level: -12 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6348
- Joined: 2010/09/07 19:20:06
- Location: London ON
- Status: offline
Re:no buffoonery! serious questions!!!
2012/04/13 08:40:48
(permalink)
John T
On the question of how to learn. There are a number of good forums where you can dig up guides to the principals of overclocking. Tom's Hardware is a good one. If you're completely new to it, start reading that kind of stuff, but plan to do no actual overclocking for *at least* a few months. You'll either get bored with the research or start to understand it well enough to do with reasonable confidence.
That is a great resource for all kinds of stuff....
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
|