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no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
no price limit -the best sound card A/D out there (2011)
Aurora 16?
RME?
win7/64
what works for you ?
what failed?
rumours ?
driver issues?
please state if you own it or not as well !!!!!!!
Thanks.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 15:06:33
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 15:11:27
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To achieve a significant upgrade over the FF800, you're going to have to move to outboard converters.
The Aurora would be a step up.
At this level, most all units are "good"... it's just a matter of which 'flavor' of good you prefer.
It's an aesthetic choice.
FWIW, If you make this kind of investment, make sure you have commensurate front-end gear (mics/preamps).
Otherwise you won't reap much advantage...
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 15:18:04
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I'm using a Lynx AES16e+Aurora16 with Win7x64. Works great. Keep in mind that the AES16e is just an AES card and can be used with other converters, though I've not done it.
Good luck
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Intel Core i7; 32GB RAM; Win10 Pro x64;RME HDSPe MADI FX; Orion 32 and Lynx Aurora 16; Mics and other stuff...
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 15:25:46
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SSL option MadiXtreme 64 (currently no WDM64 support) hmm this looks very nice, what model and driver are you running?
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 15:38:03
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I doubt you can go wrong with either Lynx or RME. Serious gear snobs would probably not consider them the "best", unless they're qualifying it as "best of the upper-midrange". But the lengths said snobs go to in order to justify their Prisms and Lavrys involves measuring some virtually inaudible differences.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 15:40:48
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Only have experience with the Lynx Studio AES16 / Aurora 16 but it works well for me. Very low noise floor - 114 dB @ 96K (where I use it), - 72 dB @ 192K. In reality, I never hear anything because the music content is so far above that. The Windows software AES16 mixer is very complex and needs a user friendly update. They made some improvements on the AES16e code. There are numerous variations of the AES cards so read all the material and ask questions because you can easily make a slightly wrong decision for your needs. Runs hot and needs a rack space above and below. You can go over to Gearslutz and read the conversations on whether Lynx is as good as models that cost twice as much, outboard clocking etc. It gets pretty esoteric at the high end. Tech support from Lynx is superb if you are willing to fork over for the long distance call.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 15:44:05
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Hey Jim - I am still running the DAW you built for my needs - everyone should order one from Jim if they want to turn the key and GO - without the headache of testing new gear. word. i am in need of more in's and i am mostly concerned with tracking live drums The FF800 has been very good to me - zero driver issues ect. i thought about buying a second one.. ---limiters would save on noise issues and routing to my rack of DBX 166's the OTHER RME has limiters per track.. http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_m32ad.php the Aurora 16 sounds like a great unit but it is very old and has no limiters built in (for drum "overs") i was hoping to have a firewire / usb device and no card install (not mandatory) thanks again.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 16:12:43
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Lynx - lots of pros use them, people that sell millions.
Apogee - pretty much a R&R studio standard.
Burl. they are coming out w/ an AES/MADI output this summer. Be prepared to open your wallet - $7000+ for an 8x8 system AES, not including the card to get it into your computer. Good news since it is modular - only $4500 or so to add another 8 i/o. So, for $13,000+ you can get your ADDA taken care of w/ analog-sounding digital. Burl is the guy who designed the UA 2192. Several guys I know swear by them for an old school but digital sound.
Mytek and Lavry are cheaper, cleaner. As Bit sez, all of the above are great, it is just how you want that last 2% of the sound to sound.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 16:13:09
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I doubt you can go wrong with either Lynx or RME. Serious gear snobs would probably not consider them the "best", unless they're qualifying it as "best of the upper-midrange". But the lengths said snobs go to in order to justify their Prisms and Lavrys involves measuring some virtually inaudible differences.
No comment.  UnderTow
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 16:26:24
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endoverend
---limiters would save on noise issues and routing
to my rack of DBX 166's
the OTHER RME has limiters per track..
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_m32ad.php
the Aurora 16 sounds like a great unit but it is very old and has no limiters built in (for drum "overs")
i was hoping to have a firewire / usb device and no card install (not mandatory)
Limiters? You are much better off tracking with enough headroom to never clip the inputs. Anything in the signal path will have at least some effect on the sound. With 24 bits recording, tracking with enough headroom shouldn't be an issue. The Lynx Aurora, regardless of it's age, has very nice converters that you will find in some mastering rooms. It also has a Firewire option. If cost is truly not an issue (which I doubt is true once you know the price of the top end converters), you could use something like an RME interface and connect digitally to external converters from Lavry, Prism, EMM Labs, DAD, Mytek etc... Or you could get something like the Mytek 8x192 with Firewire option but I have no idea how good the drivers are. UnderTow
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 16:48:44
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UnderTow
Limiters? You are much better off tracking with enough headroom to never clip the inputs. Anything in the signal path will have at least some effect on the sound. With 24 bits recording, tracking with enough headroom shouldn't be an issue.
You beat me to it... Don't try to peg the meters unnecessarily. With a device that's going to give you something in the area of -115dB noise floor there shouldn't be a reason to really push anything. Assuming you have a quality front-end to give you quality on the backend, of course. And don't forget the Monster mic cables.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 17:10:50
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 17:11:23
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 17:28:59
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I believe it is worth every cent and apparently will work with Sonar. FWIW... The average noise-floor with an 00x unit with BL mod is ~ -100dB. Sound is good... but it's not the quietest option
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 17:42:19
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Best, Danny Core I7, win XP pro, 3 gig ram, 3 drives- Lynx Aurora firewire- Roll around 27 inch monitor, 42 inch console monitor- Motif xs controller - Networked P4's and FX Teleport for samples- Muse Receptor VIA Uniwire for samples and plugs- UAD QUAD Neve - UAD 1- Sonar X1 but favor 8.5 GUI - Toft ATB 32 - Vintage hardware - Tascam MS-16 synched via Timeline Microlynx -Toft ATB32 console
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 18:05:42
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Makes the Fireface UFX seem downright cheap... 
I looked at the RME UFX but my main concern is not having to upgrade my converters for awhile.the FF800 is very solid but if i add anthoer A/D the color may be different on some channnels - say drumset and eqing it up - not predictable for track presets (possibly) yes i am torn -RME UFX + FF800 combo or Aurora 16 - for the overall price the Aurora looks better. Skeptical as to the RME converters being tier'd out price wise -they dont state as to exact same converters in all products or the diffrences of them. keep in mind - this is the last time i want to upgrade for a looooong time. curious as to how open of a sound i can get on a real drumset with 12 mics or so - room and all...wont know till i try it of course -imagine 8 converters of a different flavor mixed in with the kit - it may mess with your head due to the sublety of it all instead of the obvious. whats your take? I may have a clean FF800 for sale soon. Thanks again.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 18:24:16
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LJB
You could grab an older Digidesign FW box (like an 003) and have the Black Lion upgrades done. I believe it is worth every cent and apparently will work with Sonar.
Failing that - go straight for the jugular with this baby: http://www.prismsound.com/music_recording/products_subs/ada8xr/ada8xr_home.php or its little brother the Orpheus.
I'm not sure if/when/anything has changed with the newer Digidesign boxes but for a long time (and I still have customers with this problem) the standalone Digi drivers (002's mostly) would not allow any host besides PT to use multi-core CPU's. It would just lock up SONAR hard. IIRC this was a noted 'limitation' in their release notes. You have to go under Options > Audio > Advanced and turn off 'Use Multiprocessing Engine". Not my idea of a good time.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 21:42:47
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No comment. Come on, UnderTow, I know you have an opinion :) Do you doubt the steepness of the diminishing-returns curve once you get past the $1-2k price range?
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 22:29:14
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Not trying to hijack your thread, but I'm waiting for the release of the LT-USB before I buy my Aurora 16. Obviously the AES-16e would be 'better', but unfortunately I need to be mobile, which means hooking the Lynx system up with my laptop. RME have done wonders with their USB version of the FireFace, so I'm hoping Lynx will be able to get similar performance from their USB interface. Anyone heard anything? I hope it's not a repeat of their LT-FW which was a disaster by all accounts.
And I'm with Bit - I really don't see any need to get anything more expensive than the Aurora, but then I don't even own it yet, just going on hear-say and experience with the 'diminishing returns' concept.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/05 23:25:32
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whats your take? Given your goals... I think the Aurora 16 makes good sense.
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/06 03:06:05
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"Edited spelling" New Tag line so I won't have to keep typing this. I may or may not have edited this yet, but I probably need to. < Message edited by MArwood -- 3/02/2525 3:45:05 AM >
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/06 04:41:30
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bitflipper
No comment.
Come on, UnderTow, I know you have an opinion :)
Do you doubt the steepness of the diminishing-returns curve once you get past the $1-2k price range?
Oh no doubt about that but as I use Prism converters (amongst others) I guess I am one of those snobs you mention.  UnderTow
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
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You could grab an older Digidesign FW box (like an 003) and have the Black Lion upgrades done. I believe it is worth every cent and apparently will work with Sonar.
Failing that - go straight for the jugular with this baby: http://www.prismsound.com/music_recording/products_subs/ada8xr/ada8xr_home.php or its little brother the Orpheus.
I'm not sure if/when/anything has changed with the newer Digidesign boxes but for a long time (and I still have customers with this problem) the standalone Digi drivers (002's mostly) would not allow any host besides PT to use multi-core CPU's. It would just lock up SONAR hard. IIRC this was a noted 'limitation' in their release notes.
You have to go under Options > Audio > Advanced and turn off 'Use Multiprocessing Engine". Not my idea of a good time.
Indeed and I am not sure you can even access all the I/O through ASIO. (But maybe that has changed). Also, I really don't believe in the whole Black Lion mod stuff. It might help a bit but it won't fix a poor design. UnderTow
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/07 09:51:06
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endoverend
SSL option MadiXtreme 64 (currently no WDM64 support)
hmm
this looks very nice, what model and driver are you running?
Sorry for getting back so late - been outa town. I'm using the SX model (AES-EBU) and ASIO drivers as supplied by SSL. And MADI Xtreme 128 card for a possible second unit. Even though you can daisy-chain them I prefer to run parallel. @ bitflipper ... am I one of those "snobs" - I hope not !
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Re:no price limit -the best out there for a 16 in sound "card" for Sonar?
2011/05/09 13:31:56
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Hey All,
still shopping around a bit - anyone hear word on the Aurora USB situation yet?
and why wouldnt it be USB3 - i wonder ....
considering the ufx into my fireface due to usb and solid driver arguments
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