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noob questîon about automation…

Hi, i'm wondering: can i create/edit automation lanes of vst's while is not playing. I know after adding an automation lane, you can select the parameter but on z3ta+ 2 or any vst that have too many parameters this method is too complex so i can record automatıons that i've made in vst's gui but i want to do this (touch any knob on vst's gui an it will appears an automation lane) while track is not playing. Can i do this? If yes, please show me how. Thanks...
P.s: i'm using sonar x3
 
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Hi, me again :) I'm looking for alternate technique to achieving ducking effect. So, i've discovered volume automation technique but i've one question: how can i snap play cursor to lines straighty? (I've found that but, sometimes a little, very little, maybe <1/32 bar difference in grid and play cursor.) I want to snap play cursor on the grids with no difference. Any ideas?
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    ston
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 04:11:10 (permalink)
    You'll need to play the track with write automation enabled to create the first few nodes.  Then you can stop playback and edit the automation to your heart's content.  If the track isn't playing, you can't record automation into it.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 06:20:20 (permalink)
    A common point of confusion is that SoftSynths have their own Write Enabled Button on them. Tracks have the button, but if you enable the button on a track and then change parameters on the soft synth you will not get the new lanes. To get the automation lanes for the soft synth, enable both the track and the write enable button on the soft synth itself.

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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 07:33:02 (permalink)
    gswitz
    A common point of confusion is that SoftSynths have their own Write Enabled Button on them. Tracks have the button, but if you enable the button on a track and then change parameters on the soft synth you will not get the new lanes. To get the automation lanes for the soft synth, enable both the track and the write enable button on the soft synth itself.




    Yes, i'm doing exactly same method, but cannot create a new lane via moving faders/knobs on a VST while track isn't playing, I'm an old Ableton user and really miss this feature...
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 07:41:17 (permalink)
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    gswitz
    A common point of confusion is that SoftSynths have their own Write Enabled Button on them. Tracks have the button, but if you enable the button on a track and then change parameters on the soft synth you will not get the new lanes. To get the automation lanes for the soft synth, enable both the track and the write enable button on the soft synth itself.




    Yes, i'm doing exactly same method, but cannot create a new lane via moving faders/knobs on a VST while track isn't playing, I'm an old Ableton user and really miss this feature...




    Ston gave you the answer. Start playback and adjust the knob you want the lane for then stop playback. Then the automation lane for that knob will appear and you can edit the lane with playback stopped. Just clear the nodes that were created when you were turning the knob to get a fresh envelope.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 07:52:26 (permalink)
    ok, thanks for replying. also i've an another question: when sidechaining, i've creating a bus for "Kick" track and route this bus to "Sonitus:fx Sidechain In" in synth track but i want to sidechain a lots of track, Am i supposed to do create a bus for every tracks i want to sidechain or any method to routing one bus to multiple tracks?
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 08:07:39 (permalink)
    You mean you want to have the kick drum "duck" all those other channels? I think what you would do is put sends on all the tracks you want to "duck" and point them to a bus that has the compressor on it. Then you set the compressor sidechain input to be fed by the kick drum. I'm not sure though. Someone smarter than me will have to help you with that.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 08:10:57 (permalink)
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    You mean you want to have the kick drum "duck" all those other channels? I think what you would do is put sends on all the tracks you want to "duck" and point them to a bus that has the compressor on it. Then you set the compressor sidechain input to be fed by the kick drum. I'm not sure though. Someone smarter than me will have to help you with that.


     Yes "ducking" effect is what i want.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 08:18:27 (permalink)
    Try what I said then.
     
    Compressor goes on new bus.
     
    Kick > Sidechain Input on compressor
     
    All "duck" tracks > Sidechain bus (via Sends) > Master
     
    Then adjust your sends to get the right ducking effect... however you main output would likely still be dry/audible. If you want the WHOLE sound on those tracks to be ducked then either switch the main track output to send the whole track to the sidechain bus and DON'T use any sends OR use send and set the main track output to "None".
     
    Again I'm not sure if that's exactly how it's done but give it a try. Good luck.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 08:26:17 (permalink)
    Oh and if you use Sends try setting the Sends to Pre Fader. That way you can send as much or as little of the signal as you want to the compressor without having the track fader affect the main output level. This way you can blend the "ducking" on each track with the original signal better. You can also automate it all so the ducking fades in and out or stops/starts and you can do it track by track instead of being stuck with the same ducking on all the channels.
     
    Just some ideas.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 08:55:32 (permalink)
    You could even have a separate compressor for each track you wish to duck, then set up a bunch of sends from the bass drum track to each of the compressors.  That would give you fine control over the amount of compression/ducking per track.  Make a send pre-fader to have the ducking independent from the bass drum level, post-fader to make it dependant.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 09:06:22 (permalink)
    Beepster
    Try what I said then.
     
    Compressor goes on new bus.
     
    Kick > Sidechain Input on compressor
     
    All "duck" tracks > Sidechain bus (via Sends) > Master
     
    Then adjust your sends to get the right ducking effect... however you main output would likely still be dry/audible. If you want the WHOLE sound on those tracks to be ducked then either switch the main track output to send the whole track to the sidechain bus and DON'T use any sends OR use send and set the main track output to "None".
     
    Again I'm not sure if that's exactly how it's done but give it a try. Good luck.




    Thanks! It works great!
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 09:20:38 (permalink)
    ston
    You could even have a separate compressor for each track you wish to duck, then set up a bunch of sends from the bass drum track to each of the compressors.  That would give you fine control over the amount of compression/ducking per track.  Make a send pre-fader to have the ducking independent from the bass drum level, post-fader to make it dependant.




    This approach definitely gives more control and is more direct however two things worry me about a set up like this...
     
    One is by using different instances of the compressor on each track if he wants the same compression settings then he'd have to continually copy the first compressor to the other tracks or save a preset each time and apply it to the rest of the tracks. That makes adjusting them all evenly a real pain. I'm not sure if FX insert parameters can be grouped like track strip parameters but if that's the case he could do that to make it easier (I seem to recall trying this before though and not being able to do it). However, and I'm not sure about this, from what I've been led to believe even if to instances of the same compressor that have the same settings are being triggered by the same event there could still be slight variations in how the compressor reacts. Probably not enough to make a HUGE difference but it might add up over lots of tracks. That last bit may totally be wrong though but I've seen it mentioned when talking about the advantages of using busses for dynamic type effects.
     
    Another potential problem is resource consumption. Having a ton of compressors, although the Sonitus is supposedly relatively low footprint, might put an undue load on OPs computer.
     
    Then there is the hassle of working around the compressor in the signal chains. It would probably have to be at the very end of every track strip to get the same effect as having it affect everything in a bus after each track is done process their signal.
     
    That's not to say this method should be avoided because if I was ducking only a few tracks I'd probably do it your way as well but if it's like a dozen tracks or a whole mix I'd look more at the bus option.
     
    Food for thought. :-)
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 09:22:38 (permalink)
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    Beepster
    Try what I said then.
     
    Compressor goes on new bus.
     
    Kick > Sidechain Input on compressor
     
    All "duck" tracks > Sidechain bus (via Sends) > Master
     
    Then adjust your sends to get the right ducking effect... however you main output would likely still be dry/audible. If you want the WHOLE sound on those tracks to be ducked then either switch the main track output to send the whole track to the sidechain bus and DON'T use any sends OR use send and set the main track output to "None".
     
    Again I'm not sure if that's exactly how it's done but give it a try. Good luck.




    Thanks! It works great!




    Hooray! :-D
     
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 13:23:21 (permalink)
    Beepster
    This approach definitely gives more control and is more direct however two things worry me about a set up like this...
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    True, there are a number of pros and cons with both approaches, depends what you wish to achieve really :-)
     
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/07 13:36:08 (permalink)
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    Beepster
    This approach definitely gives more control and is more direct however two things worry me about a set up like this...
    <snip>


    True, there are a number of pros and cons with both approaches, depends what you wish to achieve really :-)
     




    Yeah, like I may duck the bass with the kick on my current project to make some room for the kick but I have three cloned bass tracks (clean, fuzz and low end). Using an individual compressor on each track sidechained to the kick would probably be better for that.
     
    Glad this came up because it's something I need to be thinking about right now... amongst all the other flotsam floating about my mind at the moment.
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    Re: noob questîon about automation… 2013/11/08 16:47:53 (permalink)
    Hi, me again :) I'm looking for alternate technique to achieving ducking effect. So, i've discovered volume automation technique but i've one question: how can i snap play cursor to lines straighty? (I've found that but, sometimes a little, very little, maybe <1/32 bar difference in grid and play cursor.) I want to snap play cursor on the grids with no difference. Any ideas?
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