sukant07
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one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
how do I route one midi track to many virtual instruments in sonar X1 ? something like a instrument rack in ableton?
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 16:27:48
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I'm not sure if you can do it. But a way around it is to use input echo, and make sure you're not using 'simple instruments tracks.' If you click the input echo button on the midi tracks of each of the synths you want to hear, they'll all play at once. If you arm each track for recording, when you record you'll record the same thing to each track that was armed.
Another way is to just copy the orignal midi file to each track that you want it on.
There might be a way to do it that i don't know about, but if you have Kore 2 (and maybe even the free Kore 2 Player), then you could use that as a host (still inside X1) and do it that way. Let me know if you want more details and i'll run you through the set up for doing what you want to do with Kore 2.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 17:42:01
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 18:45:31
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Thanks for your help(s) . I am looking for a way to trigger 2 soft synths from one midi clip , rather than trigger from a controller in real time . i can use the above techniques while live play or probably use copied clips and use in two tracks ( make them linked for easier arranging later on ) . however this just doubles the number of my tracks ( i have lots of midi clip based tracks in my project ) but seems I have no choice at this time . Hopefully cakewalk addresses this in future updates. I also wanted to split a midi clip at middle c and trigger 2 soft synths - something like a keyboard split ( but comming from a midi clip and not from a live controller ) - guess this is not possible in Sonar yet . Surprising , because Sonar has some otherwise good midi editing features . thanks again . ( ps am not using using kore at this time ) .
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sukant07
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 20:01:51
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"There might be a way to do it that i don't know about, but if you have Kore 2 (and maybe even the free Kore 2 Player), then you could use that as a host (still inside X1) and do it that way" -S.Wallis
thanks for the kore tip/idea . i do have fm8 and hypersonic, both of which allow multiple instruments from inside them which can trigger from one midi clip .
keyboard split workaround I am currently doing -
use drum maps to split notes ( however different midi efx to different splits cannot be applied ? )
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 23:02:45
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I thought that Sonar could do this but I can't find a way without duplicating MIDI tracks. Seems like a feature I'd use and could cut down on tracks when layering.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 23:35:36
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 23:46:37
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Unfortunately SONAR can't yet trigger 2 instruments from one MIDI track.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 23:50:46
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Thanks, Jonbouy
I'm 64 bit AISO - out of luck?
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/24 23:56:38
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Thanks, Jonbouy
I'm 64 bit AISO - out of luck?
Why? LoopBe1 is a 64 bit WDM compliant midi driver a fact I only mention as the other 2 VMC's B Rock mentions are still 32 bit only, it gives your system another (virtual) midi port to route through thats all. It's as separate from your audio as your keyboard is. Sure it's a 3rd party solution but what are most plug-ins, or even your current input midi port? I use this method all the time, it addresses the OP's requirements fully and more besides and it becomes available to any midi capable app. via the system. It also works like a charm.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2010/12/25 00:07:51
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/25 02:32:16
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among 3rd party plugins, chainer ( http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html ) can stack several other vst instruments inside it , when loaded as a instrument in sonar . i think energyxt can do this too and more .
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/25 10:05:04
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I didn't know one could (should) mix ASIO and WDM. I'll try it.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/25 10:23:14
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Loaded LoopBe1, I see it in the system tray. I load 2 instruments, set up a separate MIDI track. Record some MIDI on that track. Now I want to send that MIDI data to the 2 instrument tracks. Where/how does LoopBe1 work from here? I read the 'manual' but no real clues in there that I can find.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/25 11:24:17
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Sukant, About the only way I've been able to do this effectively and with any stability and with more simplicity than creating multiple tracks is with Energy XT. For me, XT is a core component if using Sonar if you are using keyboards. Load XT, import as many synths as required, as many effects as required, control the volumes and stereo location from the internal mixer. This is all one one track now. Fortunately with stability improvement in 8.5 forward, multiple hosting within a host is not crashing as much. XT does not load dx/dxi effects, so free dxishell is required for dxi synths. FFX4 is required for dx effects. (Don't use the included dxshell for dx effects or you will create a real mess) links: http://www.energy-xt.com/ http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/index.htm http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/ One bummer, I can't get dxishell to work in Sonar X1. Maybe others can. XT still works solid here with X1. Running multiple synths from a single track has been a longstanding rational request, so far not implemented. This lack of function more than anything else keeps me having to supplement Sonar with other programs. John
post edited by JohnKenn - 2010/12/25 12:26:14
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/25 18:45:30
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Friends, Afterthought… Another maybe anciently bump’d patch to the problem, but should be in the face of anyone struggling with this shortfall. High, subtle Sonar user, barely speaks a word of English, but the only musician I’ve ever had the grace to encounter whose slow acoustic slide guitar has ever saved a life. Don’t know if any one of us can claim that. Reminded me in fractures English that multiple synths can be loaded with Console. A bit fragile for my liking, but works and imports dxi/dx standard, negating the need for the respected offering by the Buzz folks for dxshell and the possible incompatibility with X1.. Advice is to try the outdated demo. Progress died some years ago, suspended beta is all that’s there. Struggle through with, and scan all vst directories from the standalone version before launching in Sonar. If you can get it launched without crashing standalone, it will solidly import anything you can throw at it. Kontakt going into Synth1 going into Cellofan, going into Dim Pro, going into SamplaTank, etc, etc, etc. Many synths per single track. This is an option to the Energy XT route. If you try this, there is a global stereo mixer. This does not address the need for individual volume/pan for individual synths. This can be addressed properly and freeware by inserting the fine free Sonalkus amp and mixer per track on each synth. Damn, this is elegant. Does this work or not?… Peace, tranquility, hope, and a blessed holiday to all of you warriors. John Links: http://console.jp/en/ http://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.htm
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/25 19:28:28
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MidiOX lets you define one input midi port (your controller or a midi track of Sonar) and send it to multiple output ports. MidiYoke creates multiple virtual midi in-out ports to be used by applications. Combined you can set them as: controller midi out -> MidiOX in -> MidiYoke 1 -> MidiYoke 2 -> MidiYoke x You can then control with live with your controller x number of virtual synths ALSO you can use it as: Sonar midi out -> MidiYoke 1 in -> Midi Yoke 1 out -> MidiOX -> MidiYoke2 ->MidiYoke3 ->MidiYoke x Thus controlling with a midi track in Sonar (set to send midi to Midiyoke 1) x-1 number of midi tracks notice: MidiYoke can give you up to 16 virtual midi ins-outs warning: each midi in-out of MidiYoke takes one second to be closed so expect to see delays of x seconds (where x is the number of midiYoke ports set) whenever you close Sonar The number of Yoke ports can be set in control panel of windows -> MyyokeNT and requires a Windows restart Both applications tested in windows XP sp2 32bit MidiYoke tested in Windows 7 64bit and runs perfectly available here: http://www.midiox.com/
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2010/12/25 22:15:45
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Its easy to do. You just have to make sure each track has Input Echo enabled.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2015/01/22 02:34:32
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☄ Helpfulby msorrels 2015/01/22 04:32:02
I think multiple midi outs from one MIDI track will be great feature. I hope CW will do this soon.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2015/01/22 11:46:32
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The current solution is use a third party virtual MIDI cable.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2015/01/22 15:11:34
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2015/01/22 16:08:54
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I have never fully understood why Sonar routes MIDI by setting the output of a MIDI source to a MIDI destination.
This multiple MIDI issue in OP would not exist if Sonar routed MIDI by setting MIDI inputs to a MIDI source.
example :
TRACK 1 is a MIDI track which contains the MIDI which you want to route to multiple places.
TRACK 2,3,4 are MIDI tracks which control synths or just simple instrument TRACKS.
set TRACK 2,3,4 inputs to TRACK 1 out.
Done.
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Re:one midi track to many virtual instruments input in sonar X
2017/12/03 20:49:46
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My friend told me the way, he found here somewhere or ytube maybe.
You copy the needed midi track clip, then create a new midi track for each instrument, then you do @PasteSpecial and select @LinkToOriginalClip and you can check advanced options.
So next time, when you will edit original clip you'll get those changes propagated to all linked clips and well it is more flexible way, since you can change time of each clip or instrument volume and whatever is needed.
After you set exact start time for each clip, you'd better group them together, so they will be tied, just ctrl+click each clip and rightClick -> Create selection group from selected
Cakewalk // Documentation // SONAR X2 // Arranging and editing -> Working with linked clips
And well, if you click that red button on each midi track and try to record notes from your midi-plug, then all those synths will play together and fill up all those tracks at the same time.
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