original clip gone in v-vocal

Up to X2, in v-vocal, the original clip would stay behind the vvocal clip (muted). now in x3, the original clip seems to be gone. is this correct? No 2nd chance?

Once a clip is turned in to a V-Vocal Region FX clip, there is a menu of options in the upper right-hand corner of the clip. Click the menu to:
Remove the Region FX (this will undo the effect)
Open V-Vocal or
Bypass the effect

Hmm, is my v-vocal corrupt then? I can see the original when i click on lanes, but it seems connected to the vvocal track. You cant move the original without moving the vvocal. the only thing you can do is click on rfx and hit remove to totally delete the vovocal. this really handicaps vvocal from what it was in previous version. am I doing something wrong?

Errrg. That makes me mad. The millennium seem to be the era of the "improved worse". meaning, even if we can't make it better, lets just change it for the worse so the people will think we made an improvement. I've noticed a couple things like this in X3. Like how every time you open a window it is in the useless docked position and it takes me 3 extra mouse clicks and drags to position it where I want it.

Skarda
Errrg. That makes me mad. The millennium seem to be the era of the "improved worse". meaning, even if we can't make it better, lets just change it for the worse so the people will think we made an improvement.

I think most people here would consider the ARA integration and use of Melodyne for pitch correction a MAJOR improvement. You have a choice of optimizing the program for Melodyne or for V-Vocal; you can't do both. If the price for ARA integration is working on a copy of a track if you want to retain a safety copy when using V-Vocal, I believe that's a valid tradeoff.

I still use V-Vocal as well, and probably will continue to do so until I upgrade to the full Melodyne editor. I found that V-Vocal has been more reliable since the conversion to the Region FX protocol, so I consider making a safety copy prior to editing worth it for increased reliability and ARA integration, which will develop further in the future.

Sounds like I should just keep working in X2 for now. Thanks for all the advice. I wish there was more than a band aid. Sounds like Cake is trying to sabotage vvocal. Looks like I may have wasted money on this upgrade and X2 may be the last version I use unless they can fix and make vvocal efficient the way it use to be and should be. I hate downgrades

CakeAlexS
> Sounds like Cake is trying to sabotage vvocal
 
Better be careful there could be lawyers around ;) Anyway if Cake was doing that I wouldn't have expected RegionFX support with VVocal, or it would not have been bundled at all in X3.

To clarify: V-Vocal is NOT bundled with X3.
 
I still wouldn't claim sabotage.  It's just a legacy plug-in now.

Skarda
Sounds like I should just keep working in X2 for now. Thanks for all the advice. I wish there was more than a band aid. Sounds like Cake is trying to sabotage vvocal. Looks like I may have wasted money on this upgrade and X2 may be the last version I use unless they can fix and make vvocal efficient the way it use to be and should be. I hate downgrades

V-Vocal is not a Cakewalk product, it's a Roland product. From what I understand, it will not be updated further and will remain a DirectX program, which many DAWs don't even support any more. I personally don't think it's worth giving up X3's speed comping, VST3 support, improved video foundation, and Melodyne's audio-to-MIDI conversion because I sometimes want to create a safety copy of a vocal track prior to doing extensive V-Vocal processing.
 
I think it's pretty clear from the posts here that the vast majority of users prefer Melodyne over V-Vocal, so although I continue to use V-Vocal, with respect to favoring one plug-in over the other I think Cakewalk made the right choice.

If VVocal is a Roland product, is it available as a separate product, distinct from Sonar? Is it possible for those wishing to use VVocal in X3 (those new to Sonar and don't have a prior version) to purchase this from Roland?

V-Vocal was a plug-in which used Roland's proprietary VariPhrase technology. It was never sold as a separate plug-in. AFAIK, the Roland products that use VariPhrase technology are hardware.