overdub recording thru headphones, live track much louder than backing

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2014/01/05 15:38:03 (permalink)

overdub recording thru headphones, live track much louder than backing

This is difficult for me to explain but I'll try. I'm using Home Studio 6. I'm doing a demo for my band. I've got a Mackie 16VLZ, all the mics run to it, then out to my computer, with a Delta1010LT soundcard. The band records live and then afterwards we start doing overdubs.
 
When the singer has on the headphones and he's trying to record a new track, along with whats already recorded, his vocal in his own headphone is way too loud. If I turn him down at the mixer, then I dont get a good output to the computer and the wav form is really tiny. If I try to turn him down on his track in SONAR, nothing happens. the volume slider for his channel on the console doesnt do a thing.

Anybody have any idea how I can turn him down in his headphones, but still get a hot signal to my computer?
 
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    Re: overdub recording thru headphones, live track much louder than backing 2014/01/05 19:21:36 (permalink)
    If I remember reading that the delta's don't have controls or a headphone system built in like most interfaces. So you have to run the output into a mixer ( the Mackie) and then do your monitor blending there. 
     
    Sonars mixer has no effect on input, that is always controlled by your interface or in your case the Mackie. The Delta needs a hardware mixer and you have what you need. 
     
    Without looking at an owner manual I will make a guess that the Mackie has lots of options for the headphone monitoring. Cue Solo buttons on channels, Aux etc. 
    An example of what might work:
     
    Your singers mike is in channel 1
    You should be using the direct output to record the overdub via the delta. 
    If the board does not have direct outs then use an Aux send. You could use the main outs but then will stand a chance of having crosstalk from the playback leak into the vocal track. 
    The playback output from the Delta of the computer should be running into say stereo Channel 12/13. 
     
    Set your channel 1 output so you optimize your recording levels. If your using the direct outs the channel input  Gain level is where you should make this adjustment.  The channel fader may have no effect on the output level. Depends on the board. 
      
     
    You should be able to blend and adjust the monitor levels now.  
     
    Headphones should also be able to monitor your aux sends, so you can also set up a custom mix with that as well. I can think of lots of ways without even seeing the board. Seeing the board would even add more. 
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    Re: overdub recording thru headphones, live track much louder than backing 2014/01/05 19:45:56 (permalink)

    I just looked your board up and see you have some real good options. 
     
     
    PROFESSIONAL FEATURES
    Don't let its size fool you. The Mackie 1604-VLZ3 mixer is packed with premium features on every channel; 75Hz Low-Cut filters, four Aux Sends, inserts, phantom power, constant-loudness Pan controls, OL (overload) and signal present LEDs, sub and main mix assign switches, and assignable AFL/PFL Solo switch. And since you can never have too many output options, we provided a Control Room/Phones source matrix, Master Aux section with EFX to Monitor, tape outputs, high-volume headphone amplifier, channels 1-8 direct outs, and balanced XLR and balanced/unbalanced TRS outputs.

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    Re: overdub recording thru headphones, live track much louder than backing 2014/01/05 21:19:35 (permalink)
    that confused me, honestly. but thanks for trying.
     
    I'm using the direct outs of channels 1-8 to go into the line ins to the Delta 1010LT. Then the line out from the Delta goes back into the mixer -  I'm using the tape input, which is set to main mix and it also goes to the headphones. I've also tried using the line out from the Delta, to the channels 12-13 of the mixer, but it the same result. Nothing I do will turn down the volume of the recorded track in the headphone, unless I send the Delta a weaker signal... which results in a weaker recorded track. I dont understand how to use a control room phones matrix, I dont have the VLZ3, I have the VLZ... I wonder if the two are different.
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    Re: overdub recording thru headphones, live track much louder than backing 2014/01/05 21:37:08 (permalink)
    hey I think I fixed it! I sent the output from the Delta to channel 16 of the VLZ using a y-cord. Then I hit the solo button on both the overdub mic channel, and the channel 16 which has the track playback. Now I'm able to turn the track playback up or down but the singers mic volume stays the same in the headphones. thanks for the tip on the SOLO thing. I had a book on Hal Leonard Mackie mixers and it said, the phones output is BEFORE the master faders so you have to use the solo trick. That took me a minute to wrap my head around it but it did seem to work. Thanks again!
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