over-dubs occurr late

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2011/08/11 19:27:18 (permalink)

over-dubs occurr late

Hello,
I've been having this problem lately where the track that i over-dub is getting recorded one measure late from where it belongs (the entire track is off set by 1 measure late). This doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to cost me a few good takes. I just re-did them instead of killing my flow by sitting there trying to nudge the track to where it belongs. Not to mention wasting time retracking vocals on a 5+ minute song 3 or 4 extra times.

Anybody know why this is happening?
Thanks.

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    JeremiahHorner
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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/11 19:40:34 (permalink)
    That track is complete but a whole measure late?
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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/11 20:50:23 (permalink)
    yes.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/11 20:59:50 (permalink)
    I wonder if it could have something to do with the record count in or maybe latency compensation?
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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 00:40:24 (permalink)
    I don't think it is due to the count in because it happens sometimes when i start the overdub from a marker also (where there is no count in).

    I can say that i threw away some good takes because of this.
    I got other good stuff from the next take, but still, this is a drag.
    I'm always worried after the take if I'm going to have to ditch it.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 02:00:32 (permalink)
    Did this happen on measure 1 or was it further into the song?  There are some peculiarities that can occur if trying to record at beat 1 in the first measure.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 02:06:49 (permalink)
    Whenever I see weird stuff like that I immediately shut down and do a hard reboot.

    1 entire measure off is massive, that ain't right. That's not your Record Latency either, if it is you have a serious problem with your audio card.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 02:18:33 (permalink)
    This comes up from time to time. It seems to be an interoperability issue with certain soft synths and count-in, NI Maschine in particular.

    See this post and thread:

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2311557 

    EDIT: You are talking about MIDI recording, right? In any case, I don't see why you would have to throw away the take. Just slide it back 1 measure.


    post edited by brundlefly - 2011/08/12 02:21:15

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 03:38:20 (permalink)
    Ive had it with both midi and audio in the past.  In both cases turning off the count in on the metronome fixed the issue.  As Brundlefly suggests though, no need to throw out the take.  You can easily slide it where it needs to be.

    Good luck, hopefully the count in thing is what is causing it


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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 03:47:26 (permalink)
    I,ve had the same thing happen where the over dub is a measure out. The second time it happened I saw the drawing of the clip and stopped recording. Once started again it was in time. When it is not in time I slide the recording into place.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 10:39:51 (permalink)
    Thanks guys,
    I'm working only with audio in these last few projects.
    It shouldn't be latency since i"m using a vstudio 100 and I'm only dropping vocals on a stereo file, so track counts are only like about 3 to 5.

    I'll have to look into shutting off the count in, presently the metronome output is assigned to 'none.'

    I'll also check into sliding/nudging. I began to do that when this first started happening, but it wasn't cooperating, so instead of getting all into the help files and the X1 Power manual and killing my creative vibe, I just re-tracked the vocal. sometimes i was left with the feeling though of the 'fish that got away.'

    @ lorneyb2,
    This has happened at various points in the songs, there doesn't seem to be any predictability.
    None of the vocal parts to these songs are in the first measure, so i can't say for sure, but my guess is that it would happen there too from time to time.
    post edited by M@ B - 2011/08/12 10:50:12

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 11:12:40 (permalink)
    I had this happen to me once yesterday, strange only once.
    It was easy to fix because it was exactly a measure and I moved it back and it worked! (thank goodness)
    but it had no rhyme or reason why it happened, I did 5 overdubs and it happened once. 



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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 11:15:10 (permalink)
    I disabled the metronome during recording by:
    Preferences>Metronome, in the "General area" set Record Count-in to "0" measures. > Apply.

    Hopefully this will solve the problem for now, though what is someone to do when they require the count-in and can't disable it?

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 12:26:20 (permalink)
    As I mentioned earlier, when I start the track from a marker, there is no count-in and this problems still sometimes occurs.

    This leads me to think the problem may not be the result of the count in.
    I'll be doing some tracking this evening, I guess i'll find out soon enough.
    thanks again.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 12:43:01 (permalink)
    All I can suggest is that you make a copy of the project, and start stripping things out of it until the problem goes away, and see if you can identify the specific project content that's causing it.
     
    What interface and driver mode are you using, incidentally?

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 12:45:40 (permalink)
    Dupe post. Forum behaving very badly for me the past couple days.
    post edited by brundlefly - 2011/08/12 12:48:20

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 19:26:36 (permalink)
    brundlefly


    What interface and driver mode are you using, incidentally?


    V-Studio 100 with current Roland, the same ones for the Octa-Capture.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 19:37:41 (permalink)
    So I guess that means WDM drivers. Mixing interfaces could be a factor. Which one is the Record Timing Master, and which interface is being used for input when the problem occurs? Still not sure whether we're talking MIDI or Audio recording...?

    In any case, I would try changing things up in terms of timing masters and inputs, and see if another configuration eliminates the problem. I'd also recommend trying ASIO drivers, but then you'd have to drop on of the interfaces which is obviously undesirable.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 20:09:45 (permalink)
    Sorry brundlefly, I typed hastily and made a mistake.
    What i meant to say was vstudio 100 with current Roland drivers; the same ones used for the octa-capture (though i don't have an octa-capture, the drivers are the same). They are ASIO drivers.

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    Re:over-dubs occurr late 2011/08/12 22:41:37 (permalink)
    Ah. Okay. No problem. Dunno though. Cakewalk tech support should be eminently familiar with the hardware; this might be a good one for them to look into.

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