problem sending to bus

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2015/01/12 17:49:06 (permalink)

problem sending to bus

I am using Sonar X3e.  I have two mono-interleaved tracks of a single acoustic guitar 14ms out-of-phase.  I want to send one to Reverb1.L.bus and the other to Reverb2.R.bus.  When I solo these two tracks they play fine, but when I also solo the buses I only hear 100% reverb, no direct sound.  The reverb on each bus is different, and each is set at 100% wet.  Both the buses and the tracks output to the Master bus.  If I mute the buses, no audio, even though the 2 tracks are still soloed and are not muted.  If I unmute the buses and unsolo the buses, the two tracks play fine (although with no reverb). 
 
I am trying to duplicate an effect you can apparently do in ProTools, namely bleed in a little reverb of one type hard L and another reverb hard R, and control the amount of the reverb in the mix by moving the bus faders.  Is the only way to do something like this in Sonar is to use the dry-wet function in the reverb?  Why does muting the buses turn off the tracks?  Why isn't the audio simply going to where I tell it (to the bus, damn you!!) and it shouldn't matter (methinks) whether the bus is muted, soloed, or faded.
 
Yes I have looked at the mixing flow diagram on-line, and it indicates that the send actually "sends" the audio somewhere.  There is no "return" in the diagram.
 
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    teego
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    Re: problem sending to bus 2015/01/12 19:15:57 (permalink)
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    I am using Sonar X3e.  I have two mono-interleaved tracks of a single acoustic guitar 14ms out-of-phase.  I want to send one to Reverb1.L.bus and the other to Reverb2.R.bus.  When I solo these two tracks they play fine, but when I also solo the buses I only hear 100% reverb, no direct sound. 

     
    That is correct because when you solo the reverb buses you are muting the Master buses that the tracks are routed to, so all you are hearing is what is being sent to the reverb buses via the sends .
     
     
     
     
     .  If I mute the buses, no audio, even though the 2 tracks are still soloed and are not muted.  If I unmute the buses and unsolo the buses, the two tracks play fine (although with no reverb). 
     
    Yes if you mute the buses that tracks and sends are feeding you will not hear sound even if you have the track soloed. If you were hearing the reverb when you had the reverb buses soloed you should hear it in the mix, you may need to turn it up.
     
      Why does muting the buses turn off the tracks?  Why isn't the audio simply going to where I tell it (to the bus, damn you!!) and it shouldn't matter (methinks) whether the bus is muted, soloed, or faded.
     
    The audio is going where you tell it, you are routing the tracks to the bus, when you mute the bus it is gonna mute anything routed to it. Think of the buses like a sub mix on a console, you can have tracks routed to different subs and lower and raise volumes independently or mute out subs.
     
    Yes I have looked at the mixing flow diagram on-line, and it indicates that the send actually "sends" the audio somewhere.  There is no "return" in the diagram.
     
    You tell the send which bus to send to when you insert it on the track, the fader  on the bus acts as a return to the best of my knowledge.
     
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     Me too! Where are you at in Fl.?



     

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    Re: problem sending to bus 2015/01/13 11:03:53 (permalink)
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    ....."Both the buses and the tracks output to the Master bus. " 


    I think you should output each track to the busses you created (Reverb 1 and 2) and not to the master outs...

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    GregGraves
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    Re: problem sending to bus 2015/01/13 11:13:57 (permalink)
    I am in Fort Pierce FL.  And, yeah, I see what tripped me up.  thanks.
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    Re: problem sending to bus 2015/01/13 15:33:07 (permalink)
    Ignore this if you already know it, but if I had an instrument and wanted to add reverb, here's what I would do:
     
    • In the track inspector for the instrument, I would make sure the instrument track was routed to Master (or routed to an instrument bus that was in turn routed to Master)
    • In the track inspector for the instrument, I would use a Send to send the signal to the Reverb bus.  The reverb bus would be routed to Master.
    • The reverb plug-in in the reverb bus would normally be set to 100%.
    • I adjust the reverb amount with the send amount and the reverb bus fader.  NORMALLY, I set the reverb bus fader to nominal (0 db) and then adjust the reverb amount using the send; but I suppose there could be cases in which people would balance reverb amount a different way.  You basically have three controls: wet/dry in the plug, reverb bus fader level, and send to the reverb bus.  As stated, I normally set the first to 100%, the second to 0, and then vary the send.
     
    Apologies if that explanation is too basic, but it may help some who are new to Sonar or to DAWs in general.  If you worked on an old analog console with send and return and grouping buses, this is pretty much the same concept but it looks really different.

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    Re: problem sending to bus 2015/01/14 04:14:01 (permalink)
    What I was trying to duplicate was something I watched on Youtube's "Into the Lair" series, namely using one reverb hard L and another hard R, to add spatial depth and to "clean out the middle".  I got it going now.  Thanks.
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