You would think so but it's not the case, definitely. I'm a software engineer, and I've probably written almost as much code as everyone at those companies combined, and I can tell you that the most incredible bugs can go uncaught for seemingly impossible lengths of time until the right set of circumstances come up. And of course many people just shrug (or scream) and restart the program and you never hear anything about it until you are the one that gets whacked. Even if they reported it, the possibility of really figuring out whose fault it is is very low, because it will only probably occur with exactly the configuration you happen to have at the moment of plugs in that order with those tracks and even added in that order over time. So you would have to basically ship the entire thing to Cakewalk and have them diagnose it, after they purchsed all the plugs and licenses and all that, and they wouldn't have the source code of the plugs so they couldn't see what they are doing anyway. So these things just tend not to even get diagnosed due to the difficulty of doing so.

And you should not assume that those companies you mention don't have plenty of bugs in their stuff. Particularly with the kidn of coding required by plugins, it would be so easy to screw up and so hard to test. Plenty of them probably have lots of assembler code in them, or very low level buffer fiddling. And they probably don't test their stuff in conjunction with lots of other plugs, so they don't see the bugs themselves and assume they are OK.

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You would think so but it's not the case, definitely. I'm a software engineer, and I've probably written almost as much code as everyone at those companies combined, and I can tell you that the most incredible bugs can go uncaught for seemingly impossible lengths of time until the right set of circumstances come up. And of course many people just shrug (or scream) and restart the program and you never hear anything about it until you are the one that gets whacked. Even if they reported it, the possibility of really figuring out whose fault it is is very low, because it will only probably occur with exactly the configuration you happen to have at the moment of plugs in that order with those tracks and even added in that order over time. So you would have to basically ship the entire thing to Cakewalk and have them diagnose it, after they purchsed all the plugs and licenses and all that, and they wouldn't have the source code of the plugs so they couldn't see what they are doing anyway. So these things just tend not to even get diagnosed due to the difficulty of doing so.

And you should not assume that those companies you mention don't have plenty of bugs in their stuff. Particularly with the kidn of coding required by plugins, it would be so easy to screw up and so hard to test. Plenty of them probably have lots of assembler code in them, or very low level buffer fiddling. And they probably don't test their stuff in conjunction with lots of other plugs, so they don't see the bugs themselves and assume they are OK.

Thanks for your time and technical information.

Yeah, I had bought a Muse Receptor a couple of years ago as a test hoping to get nearly all of the sample libraries out of the DAW. It was a rather expensive lesson. If it would have worked out as I hoped, I would have bought several more. But it sets in the rack mostly unused. Only thing on it is Colossus and whatever free plugs that comes with it. Shoot in 2 years, Muse hasn't even been able to get RealGuitar to run on it. I suppose it's time to look into a networked system of several computers and just get everything off the DAW once and for all.

I do find it amazing when I do the initial transfers from tape into Sonar to see Sonar run 15 or more audio tracks using very little horsepower without much incident. Then as I start inserting instances of the the orchestral parts and continue work over a few days, I witness the entire production slowly fall apart, become nearly unplayable and more and more corrupt.

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do find it amazing when I do the initial transfers from tape into Sonar to see Sonar run 15 or more audio tracks using very little horsepower without much incident. Then as I start inserting instances of the the orchestral parts and continue work over a few days, I witness the entire production slowly fall apart, become nearly unplayable and more and more corrupt.

Then it's likely that the plugins you are using have some sort of issue.

Yeper. Maybe. But dang, what to do? Throw away thousands of $ invested in libraries ? Not a good solution.

Looks to me like the computer engineer is having problems, too.