problems with playback..

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2009/06/01 16:14:02 (permalink)

problems with playback..

Ive been using music creator for a while now and I have to say its the most complicated non user friendly program I think I have ever used but with a little help from this forum and browsing I found out a few good things which really really helped me a lot.I have say without this forum I would be lost very lost anyways...The problem I am having is with the playback I have recorded guitar tracks on a mic and looped midi piano rolls .piano and drums, the problem is they wont playback when I press play. I have done about everything I can as far as I know .Checking mute buttons to see if the tracks are muted could it be the patch file is wrong .I have no idea really ,I would just like some solution to this cause its very very frustrating.Also Im using vista 32bit home edition realtek standard sound card with a webcam mic it works quite good actually..lol well thats it I guess hope to hear from u folks soon

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    Robomusic
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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/01 16:30:41 (permalink)
    What synth are you using for midi playback? Midi has no sound it has to run thru a synth, or sampler. do the tutorial #8 and learn how to use TTS it will serve you well.

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/01 18:25:07 (permalink)
    Which version of MC?
    In Options>Audio>General, what is shown as the Playback Timing Master?

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/01 20:41:31 (permalink)
    Neither the audio guitar or MIDI tracks are heard?
    Go to 'Options>Audio' and change the driver mode to MME. Close and re-open MC. Let the wave profiler run.
    Like Robomusic wrote, MIDI is not sound. You need a synthesizer to hear it play, either a hardware synth like that in a MIDI keyboard or sound module or a software synth such as Edirol VSC (earlier versions of MC), TTS-1, or Cakewalk Sound Center which are included with newer MC programs. Read the help file section on "Using Soft Synths".

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/01 21:21:44 (permalink)
    John..... welcome. The realtec is not the ideal soundcard to use with MC4/5 I would recommend a decent card upgrade to get rid of the problems associated with the RT card.

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 06:51:00 (permalink)
    I know I should probably do that but why do that when it works just fine...The only problem is the play back Im using MC4.Ive been using the same card ever since I never had a problem with the SC its this confusing non user friendly program.I just wish someone would lead me in the right direction or let me know what exact info I need to provide to get this prob. solved

    thankx

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 06:56:34 (permalink)
    Its already done I changed the rectangle dithering and turned it off...Does this matter.Also I have the score up its not muted it just doesnt playback I went threw a while and changed the settings is there anyway of reseting back to orginal options..Perhaps re installing.What do u think ?I am using Virtual synth this what I have been using .

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 07:00:26 (permalink)
    its blank Im guessing its supposed say something right..?well what would be a good audio bit depth mine is set on 24 and 0 db center constant on stero panning law.I have no idea what this means but thought u would
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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 08:44:09 (permalink)
    dithering has nothing to do with playback - it's only used for making a smoother transition between 24bit and 16bit when you export to a wave file - and if you're using your onboard soundcard then you're recording at 16bit anyway so dithering is useless to you. it doesn't matter what it says - and no matter what it says it will not cause or prevent your playback.

    however, if you have your bit depth on 24 and you're using your onboard realtek then that won't work - change it to 16.

    panning laws won't affect recording or playback per se either. it only affects how tracks are panned during mixing.

    I am using Virtual synth this what I have been using
    there's not a softsynth included with any MC version called "Virtual synth" - can you be more specific, please? what is your MIDI OUTPUT set to on your MIDI track properties?

    also - did you change to MME like Greg suggested? you seem to be just clicking stuff and not specifically answering the questions that these folks are asking you.
    like: what version of MC are you using?

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 11:06:45 (permalink)
    I am using Virtual synth this what I have been using .


    Hmmm...we had another guy from SF awhile back who used the same synth and was misleading in everything he wrote. He also wouldn't answer our questions.

    So, here are a few questions, and if you can answer then directly, we may be able to solve your problems:
    1. Did you change the driver mode to MME? 'Options>Audio>Advanced>Driver Mode'.
    2. Did you close and re-open MC 4 and let the wave profiler run?
    3. In 'Options>Audio>General', what is listed for Playback Timing Master and Recording Timing Master? When using your USB mic, you'll need to select the "USB Device" (or something like that) to get a recordable signal from the mic. But if your sound card is listed but not highlighted in Playback Timing Master, select it by clicking on it to highlight it.
    4. "the problem is they wont playback when I press play (sic)" Does that mean the track won't play, i.e. the timeline doesn't move, or that the timeline moves but you don't hear anything?
    5. Open a new project in MC. Select an audio track, then go to 'File>Import>Audio' and select any song from your "My Music" file and when it imports, does it play and/or can you hear it?
    6. Are you trying to record audio on a MIDI track? An audio track has an icon that looks a little like 2 squiggly lines. A MIDI track has an icon that looks like the end of a MIDI cable.

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 11:23:32 (permalink)
    its blank Im guessing its supposed say something right..?

    Yes. You must have a Playback Timing Master selected, or you will not have playback audio. Click on the down arrow. You should see your sound card in the list (It may be the only item in the list). Select that.

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 11:35:47 (permalink)
    Glad you figured out what was blank, RobertB. I didn't know what he was referring to.

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 11:54:39 (permalink)
    I thought he said the dithering was blank.

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2009/06/02 12:26:25 (permalink)
    The program is not really confusing , IF you try to learn it. The only way to do that is to slow down and ask targeted questions, and then when you get a response, answer the person, rather than ask another question or restate your frustration.

    You say you have been using MC for a while, but still have no clue, then what have you been using it for?

    The suggestion was made that Realtek is not a good choice for a sound card, and you blew that off with a "I've never had a problem with this sound card" Sure you are using it for Windows media, or MP3 playing, well that is what it was designed for, not multitracking.

    SLOW down pilgrim and we can help.

    1. Go to options/audio and change the driver mode to MME, close and reopen the program, allow it to check the card settings.

    2. Under options/audio select the sound card as the recording and playback timing master, set bit rate to 16, and sample rate to 44,100, dither to rectangle, bufering to 2, and latency slider to two notches above fast. Then under midi devices select Microsoft synth Gs as the midi output. close and reopen again.

    3. Import a midi file and hit play. It should work. import an audio track or file and it should play. If it does not then something is turned off in the sound cards mixer window

    4. Go to the speaker icon in the lower right hand system tray, (near the clock & date) and click the speaker icon, then where it says mixer, make sure the speakers are turned on and the volume is at near 90

    5. Check for audio signal. It should work now

    6. Go to insert/synth/TTS. Change the midi tracks to output to TTS and hit play. Should even sound better.

    7. If all this does not work then you need to schedule time to be here while one of us is available to give a little more hands on help, so we can get some feedback.

    Some people are uncomfortable with this suggestion, but i can do what is called a shadow and actually look at your screen, control the mouse, and do the setup for you. You have to be there to allow it and have full control to shut it down if you want. But that way I can see what is not right and what is, and make adjustments. Let me know if you want to do this. As we have to schedule about 20 minutes time to ge it done.

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    RE: problems with playback.. 2011/01/15 14:26:54 (permalink)
    Hey Robomusic!

    I just wanted to thank you for that posting you did regarding resolution of MIDI issue.

    I have been banging my head on my keyboard (not in a good way either!) over not being able to find my MIDI output. :D

    You just walked me right through it and put a big ole perma-grin on this rockers face. :D
    I'm not exactly a newbie to computers and I've been playing around with Cakewalk for years but I just sort of found myself in the weeds on this and after pouring through several threads I came across this one.

    Not only do I think you handled it perfectly well (i.e. the dude didn't give you much specific info to work with) but you also resolved the issue... not only for the OP but for this guy who just signed up specifically so I can tell you - THANKS! :D

    You not only just made my day, but also my guitarists day (Even though he doesn't know it yet! LOL!)

    So a big thank you to you and the other people who took the time to reply to the OP and I guess I should thank the OP also for having the started the thread that got my MIDI up-n-running on this machine!

    :D

    I know my RT build in card is crap, but I have to wait a while before upgrading to something a bit more on the pro level. When I do though, I am certain I will ask around here before I make my purchase.

    Thanks again!

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