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2015/10/14 14:47:40 (permalink)

"Oh dok" I have sinned!!

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Since I have no projects to be hurried I decided to have a go at updating to Win 10.
 
I have ghosted all that I have for just In case of roll back Is needed.
 
Everything went to plan UNTIL!!
I have a Tyros 5 and I7 computer running an Asus P6T graphic card with 12 gig of ram and Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 box..
The graphics card and my motherboard is getting on a bit,so 2020 new Hyper Computer.
 
All is running fine and I have found out that all vst's are ok except Native Pro 57.
Arturia synths have to be re-Authorized.
 
Sampletank,Korg Collection, Fm8,all working fine.
The only thing bugging me Is the slow boot time.At first I had a black Screen and a white pointer.
I restarted and had a black and slightly lighter screen for a while and boot up after 40 seconds.
Now 30  seconds average.It maybe that I do not know what to tweak yet.
I would like to boot faster ,but I do not know how at this moment.
When you update ,you have to re-load some vst's to get working just right because of  dongles and authorizations.
At this moment I have great hope and i am thinking this is a wise move.
Dreams of course can be shattered!!
Now I have to uninstall some vst's and re-load to get recognized and hopefully that will suffice.
I  have noticed that certain things are more speedy and there Is no glitches In the sound.
You will notice that the order of things change ,which throws you at the start,but If you are streetwise you will get around that.
I will keep you al posted as i live and die by the sword!!
At this moment In time I have just retired and i will say that I am not a old thinking git!!
I am 64 now and have great aspirations and retirement means putting more practice into playing live without Lego bricks.
I love 60s and 70s psychedelic  music and dexterity is what I am seeking more than ever.
I am now at the point of playing comfortable and slowly I will conquer the multi tracking game.
I will say that with the sounds that are out on these vst's,good playing and imagination could start a new revolution in music.
THAT IS ONLY IN MY OPINION!!
Today's  modern music Is like children playing with wind up toys that repeat repeat and repeat.
I would like to see musicians think story lines and make it mean something,rather than repetitive rubbish.
Just look at Tarkus from ELP and then you will have the idea.
It Is really weird being 65 nearly as you realize that you are In your last quarter and achieved nearly all,but never really reaching the sumit.
I have had my 15minutes of fame as a 60s 70s Dj, but today realize love is the answer to life!!  -- I am an old softy!!
I wonder If we have another life,will there will be 16 notes In an octave!!!!--- Interesting!!
 
All the best
john
 
post edited by igiwigi - 2015/10/14 15:38:23
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/14 15:58:33 (permalink)
    "I wonder If we have another life,will there will be 16 notes In an octave!!!!--- Interesting!!"
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament
     
    "Other equal divisions of the octave that have found occasional use include 14-TET, 15-TET, 16-TET, 17-TET, 19-TET, 22-TET, 46-TET, ..."
     

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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/14 16:33:13 (permalink)
     
    I am also retired and 64 about to be 65 real soon. Like you I have a love of psychedelic music and played in several bands back in the day. I also have a love and soft spot for surf guitar. 
    I am going to take the plunge into Windows 10 in November form Windows 7
    Looking forward to reading about your experience with the new os.     Dan   
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/14 16:35:48 (permalink)
    First couple of days ignore the boot times they will be long. Auto updates to install and Windows is optimizing the boot speed by learning. You've updated the display drivers by now I assume. Cheers
     
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/14 17:06:25 (permalink)
    Splitter!!!!!


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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/14 18:09:36 (permalink)
    Awesome that you're going for it! Can't wait to hear some of your stuff!
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 03:39:58 (permalink)
    Hi
    I must admit Dok that the boot time this morning was super quick.
    The Display drivers I have will have to do as my ATI Radeon 3450  stopped updating since 2013.
    I checked the Dx Diag  and all running ok.
    The only thing is that Direct Show may have had a problem after opening something and microsoft will Inform me if there is a solution.This came up In a pop up box.Probably nothing much.
    The other thing Is Native Pro 53 Is not working and I cannot uninstall It Either.Tried all ways as the uninstaller just freezes.
    I will go to the Native site and ask a few questions about this.
    Sampletank works great ,but Miroslav ,Sampletron etc  do not want to play ball.
    I have read somewhere you can integrate these Into sampletank .Will have a look later.
    It seems that 32 bit stuff may have problems at the moment.
    Other than that all seems to be going well.
    No glitches yet,just some incompatibilities.
     
    CC Cleaner runs ok
    Malwarebytes runs ok
    Norton runs ok
     
    all the best
    john
    post edited by igiwigi - 2015/10/15 04:06:07
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 09:00:46 (permalink)
    You've checked nvidia ls website?
    I strongly advise running a registry cleaner at this stage, cccleaner notoriious for corrupting new OS's.
    If you have issues with Sonar running the update again often fixes things, as does deleting AUD.INI it appears.

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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 10:37:55 (permalink)
    Hi Dok
    I have ATI Radeon not Nvidia. I am not quite with you there.
    I have no problems with Sonar as yet
    What is the best reg cleaner to date???
    I am just having problems with Native Instruments Pro 53
    Cannot uninstall the damn thing either as the uninstaller for It freezes.
    Have put a ticket into Native and now waiting for an answer as what to do.
    I must admit It is like a naughty boy has just thrown all of his toys around the room and you have to put everything back In It's place.Apart from that Win 10 should be right on after a clean up.
    What Is this Audi ini ?? "I am not a computer wiz quite yet!!
     
    All the Best
    John
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 10:46:03 (permalink)
    Aud.ini is Sonar's initialisation file.
     
    You can delete it with impunity as if Sonar doesn't find it the next time you boot, it will create a new one for you.
    This has been known to solve a number of stability & other related issues.
    If you're of a nervous disposition, before deleting it, re-name it so that you can get back to square one if it al goes belly up (exTREMELY unlikely)
    post edited by Bristol_Jonesey - 2015/10/15 10:55:46

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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 10:53:10 (permalink)
    As above...
     
    igiwigi
    What is the best reg cleaner to date???

     
    No reg cleaner basically right now.... Avoid unless you are seriously in trouble, can cause more harm than it is worth.
     
    Check:
    https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/being-asked-to-activate-pro-53.117135/
     
    http://uninstallapplicationguide.blog.com/2012/03/21/how-to-uninstall-and-remove-native-instruments-pro-53-fully-and-efficiently-from-your-pc/
     
    Cheers...

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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 13:40:05 (permalink)
    Hi Dok
     
    Native came back to me an hour ago and said they are discontinuing Pro 53.
    That was about £110 when It came out.
    I find that gut wrenching , no crossgrade to anything else.What a cheek!!
    Is this just plain hard cheese!!!I am now waiting for another comeback from Native!!
    I tried your link and used Tune up to uninstall pro 53.
    All that did was bring my programs up and when clicking on Pro53 the same Unwise Uninstaller Is used ,so freeze again.Go to task manager to clear.Now I know why It Is called unwise!!.I need a good sweeper offer!!.
    There Is a way by going Into the registry, but not sure where to go In there.So for now I will not poke around In there.
    If I can find out how to clear Pro 53 off my system,I'll cut my losses.
     
    Anyone who has Sampletank which works fine In Windows 10.
    You will now I think have to integrate ,Miraslav,Sonic Synth,Sampletron,Samplemoog Into Sampletank for them to show up.
    That Is the next thing I will look at.
     
    All the best
    john
     Ps most things look good now,BUT!!.We all know one wrong click can set you back for a good while.
     
    post edited by igiwigi - 2015/10/15 14:02:14
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 13:53:07 (permalink)
    Ouch I didn't want you to install any software, just follow the article :( Tuneup not a good idea. Remove it. Please avoid all these little utils I suggest at least for now. They will NOT help you.
     
    I think now is the time to update your virus scanner and scan for viruses I think if you have all these little utils installed.


    Also install malwarebytes antivirus afterwards and do a full scan I suggest:
    https://www.malwarebytes.org/mwb-download/sem/
     
    If the worst comes to the worst you may attempt a full clean install of windows 10 after a backup with something like acronis trueimage. Keep your applications and software down to a minimum I suggest. I hope you also did a backup before you installed Windows 10.
     
    Cheers..
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/15 14:03:01

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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 14:41:21 (permalink)
    Hi Dok
     
    I did a Win 7 Backup ,so I can go back If all else fails
    My Norton Ghost 15 does the job nicely
    I have got Pro 53 out now with REVO UNINSTALL.Did a sterling job..Hope!!
    I will have to uninstall Native Service Centre and re-Install to get rid of the pro 53 activation.
    I will now check everything up to now and  as you said do an Image while the goings good.
    I will get back as soon as I have done all of that.
    The boot time Into Windows 10 now is about 25 seconds.Fastest I have ever known.
    All looks stable at the moment.
    Nothing at all wrong with the running of the system as yet --all going hunky dory!!  so far.
    What is left for me Is sorting out the Sampletank spin offs and FL Studio.
    I have that as well as It Started from the Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum days
    I know this is a Sonar forum but anyone with Fl Studio may be getting teething problems with that.
    Sonar Is looking good ,but Fl Studio latest version Is playing up a bit.
    I may unload that and just Stick with Sonar.
    FL Studio Is a good Sketch pad.
     JUst ran Anti-Malwarebytes and only got one pup optional from slimware drivers.Just an annoying ad thing.
    I will put Norton through It's paces now.
    I am relaxing tonight as my back needs a update after putting fence panels up. It makes you realize you are getting older.
    Trouble is If I were 18 again,I would probably have a load of back and front problems!!!!
    Another thing.---Do not worry if you get a black screen with just a white pointer at startup --Just wait--
    This always happens If you change something and have to restart.
    When you close down and then start up everything goes like greased lightning again after all that has been recognized.
    All the best
    John
    post edited by igiwigi - 2015/10/15 15:42:18
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 17:30:12 (permalink)
    Hi In windows 10
     
    If you have Miraslav and the other Ik Multimedia synths that is 32 bit,they do not run in Sonar
    I have made a file called It Miraslav,opened the legacy Instruments In Sampletank and It downloads all the Miraslav sounds. The same goes for Sampletron,Sonic Synth etc.
    You still have all the controls ,but not the fancy Gui's  Ugawoga!!!
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 17:43:42 (permalink)
    Korg Instruments ,Sampletank,FM8,Abysynth,Arturia synths Additive Drums all work good.
    Surprising for Tyros 5 Owners YEM Expansion Manager now works ok.Also Yamaha drivers ok.
    EMC Styleworks, Padmaker,Mixmaster,One Man Band. All look good.(I use these for Tyros 5).
    Focusrite Scarlet 6i6 flawless.
    FL Studio now tanking along.
    Norton anti-Virus/Internet  ok
    Also surprising ,my Edimax Usb Internet stick has no problems.
     
    No BLUE SCREEMS YET!!
     
    post edited by igiwigi - 2015/10/15 17:53:50
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/15 17:45:48 (permalink)
    At the moment I would say It Is worth the Risk
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/16 03:53:18 (permalink)
    One last thing now
     
    Is Win 10 inbuilt  system Image  saving and recovering backups as good as Ghost and Acronis etc
    By saving a complete Image will the Old Win 7 roll back be kept forever with It,or will a little Microsoft gremlin take It out Immediately once It spots it ,say a month later if all went wrong??
     
    Norton Ghost does not work anymore In Widows 10. Norton Ghost has served me well since the beginning.
    If ever I had to go back to 7 which I hope not I have original win 7 64bit disc, put ghost back on and get the ghost Image of that which I have.
    I must say that Windows 10 Is much faster and just a few older things do not work especially Pro53 and IK Multimedia synths,but they can be Integrated with Sampletank.
    The pain has only lasted 3days.
    I would recommend that people upgrading ,throw away old external sound Interfaces and go Focusrite. FOCUSRITE FOREVER!!
    Interfaces like EMU 0404 are absolutely rubbish as they stutter and give you headaches
     
    All the best
    John
    post edited by igiwigi - 2015/10/16 04:09:26
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    Re: "Oh dok" I have sinned!! 2015/10/16 17:57:47 (permalink)
    Allo!"!
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