"SONAR is not properly installed" WTF?

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 14:25:08 (permalink)
Or is it that the almighty dollar always gets in the way (i.e. greed)? We could probably add several pages to this thread about Utopian ideals, the pitfalls of unbridled Capitalism, and the practical limitations of Communism, etc. (If that actually happens, I apologize in advance!)


Well, to be fair, I could only do it if my greedy capitalist dreams of cashing out my company for a big ol' payoff come true :-)

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 15:33:47 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: droddey
Well, to be fair, I could only do it if my greedy capitalist dreams of cashing out my company for a big ol' payoff come true :-)

You're not only fair, but honest. It's the American dream, at least under the Babylonian-style money system that we're operating under.

Edit: At least you're thinking altruistically now, and not waiting until you make your first 20 billion, like some other people.
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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 16:58:04 (permalink)
Well, to be fair, I could only do it if my greedy capitalist dreams of cashing out my company for a big ol' payoff come true :-)


Well, if you're willing to leave Silicon Valley, you could realize your dream for a lot less money somewhere else. If you currently own property in California, you'll be amazed what its value would get you in, say Missouri.

Or consider going outside the U.S. That's why I'm going to the Philippines. I've already built a house over there with about 60 acres, including working mango, rice and fish farms. Total investment so far, less than $50K. I'll budget another $10k for a built-from-scratch custom-designed building to house the studio.


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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 17:06:46 (permalink)
Well, I hope you're fluent in tagala (?) isn't it? My best friends wife is from there and has taught me a little and all I can tell you is the I don't think you should be asking for a mai tai at the local bar.

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 17:14:34 (permalink)
I do have a big thing (well, ok it's a fairly small thing, but I'm not defensive about it) for petite asian women, but I couldn't stand the heat and humidity. That's why I wouldn't even want to move back to the south east. You'd have to live in this area for a while to really appreciate what it's like to have basically an 8 month long late spring. It's something I don't thing I could give up. And of course we also have a large selection of petite asian local and imported varietals here as well, so no need to searching for them.
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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 17:31:04 (permalink)
yorolpal: no, I'm not fluent in Tagalog, but luckily "quadratic-residue diffusor" translates into exactly the same there as it does most places here in Seattle: "huh?"

droddy: yes, the heat and humidity are intense most of the year, which is why I'll be keeping a place here in the Pacific Northwest to retreat to during typhoon season. But it's no worse than Florida, and a lot less expensive. The papayas are picked straight from the tree for breakfast, and the dress code is beachwear casual all year-round.



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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 17:34:57 (permalink)
"quadratic-residue diffusor"


I put a pair of Quadratic Residue Diffusor pickups in my guitar last week. They rock, man.

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 17:41:27 (permalink)
Sounds great, Dave, but be careful out there http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=86057&d=13&m=8&y=2006

funny..reading about the meaning of "MILF" in that part of the world (middle-bottom of the page I posted) after the petite asian women talk...

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 20:53:25 (permalink)
RE: "Kidnap Gang in S. Philippines Behead Captive"

Oh, did I forget to mention the excitement factor of living in a country with an annual mean income of less than $2k? Whee.

But all that stuff is going on in the southern, Muslim part of the country. They've always been ready to chop off heads -- they nailed Magellan, remember. Gave the Japanese a hard time, too.

My little island, by contrast, is a slow-paced rural area in the north where everybody is related to one another, so if you get robbed it's probably a distant cousin. No problem, the police chief is a cousin, too. He'll go to the miscreant's mother and get your wallet back.

A couple years ago some Al-Qaida types on the run from government troops came to the island, but it's kind of hard to blend in when everybody knows everybody. They got busted. But that kind of excitement is rare. Usually, the biggest news of the day while I'm there is that, well, I'm there. I do kind of stand out in a crowd there.




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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 20:56:36 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: bitflipper

RE: "Kidnap Gang in S. Philippines Behead Captive"

Oh, did I forget to mention the excitement factor of living in a country with an annual mean income of less than $2k? Whee.

But all that stuff is going on in the southern, Muslim part of the country. They've always been ready to chop off heads -- they nailed Magellan, remember. Gave the Japanese a hard time, too.

My little island, by contrast, is a slow-paced rural area in the north where everybody is related to one another, so if you get robbed it's probably a distant cousin. No problem, the police chief is a cousin, too. He'll go to the miscreant's mother and get your wallet back.

A couple years ago some Al-Qaida types on the run from government troops came to the island, but it's kind of hard to blend in when everybody knows everybody. They got busted. But that kind of excitement is rare. Usually, the biggest news of the day while I'm there is that, well, I'm there. I do kind of stand out in a crowd there.





Excellent news!!! good to know..

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 22:35:41 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: bitflipper
I do kind of stand out in a crowd there.

Aww... is that really so?

So, how do you find out about remote islands like this?

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/18 22:54:15 (permalink)
There are over 6,000 islands in the Philippines. Only 1,000 of them are inhabited, so there are still a few available. Many are wholy owned by one family. An small island can be had for the price of a 2-bedroom condo in downtown Seattle.

Not being an antisocial type myself, I prefer a slightly more urban area -- "my" island is relatively large, about 12 miles long and 5 miles wide. It has one town with one paved street, one gas station, more goats than people. White sand beaches and coconut palms. And about a hundred years away from the nearest traffic jam.


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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/19 00:26:02 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: droddey

I would find it hard to believe that a complete uninstall and registry cleaning and then reinstall would not fix such a problem and allow you to keep using the same user account.


There are registry settings found in the "ntuser.dat" file and the "...\application data\cakewalk\..." directory which do not "reside" in the registry, per say, but are only called upon when a user logs onto the system. So....., cleaning the general system registry will not effect the corruption once it sets in the user profile.

One thing to try is to copy over the "ntuser.dat" file and "...application data\cakewalk" folder found in the new user profile into your original user profile folder (when logged on as a different user account as an admin, after a fresh restart).

You could also try logging on as a different admin account, and delete the entire original user profile for the account that is not working with SONAR. This will force the system to creat an all-new user profile for the original user. That may work!!

BTW: I experienced this issue before the 6.2.1 update.

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/19 00:34:49 (permalink)
There are tools for editing the NTUSER.DAT file as well, if that's required, but I thought it just held the HKEY_LOCAL_USER hive. If so, and it's corrupted, I'd think you'd just be screwed all the way. If it's not, what's in it that isn't accessible via editing the HKEY_LOCAL_USER hive? If there is anything, then one of the specialized tools can do it. Just log in as another user, then you can edit the offline NTUSER.DAT file and remove anything need to. As to the stuff in the per-user Cakewalk directory, you are removing and reinstalling SONAR, so obviously you can just trash that whole directory if the SONAR uninstaller doesn't do it for you.

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/19 00:36:23 (permalink)
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There are over 6,000 islands in the Philippines. Only 1,000 of them are inhabited, so there are still a few available. Many are wholy owned by one family. An small island can be had for the price of a 2-bedroom condo in downtown Seattle.

Incredible. Not just a bit of Pacific paradise, but a choice sampling () of it.

I would lean the same way you did... to be a village person. It's either that, or hire your own armed forces. For me, the laid-back approach is better. I'd be much more at peace as a villager than as a dictator of a small domain.

Not being an antisocial type myself, I prefer a slightly more urban area -- "my" island is relatively large, about 12 miles long and 5 miles wide. It has one town with one paved street, one gas station, more goats than people. White sand beaches and coconut palms. And about a hundred years away from the nearest traffic jam.

Perfect. Outnumbered by goats, no less. I can scarcely imagine what a traffic jam would look like there. When you get set up, let me know if you start taking applications for a Man Friday.

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/19 00:59:49 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: droddey

There are tools for editing the NTUSER.DAT file as well, if that's required, but I thought it just held the HKEY_LOCAL_USER hive. If so, and it's corrupted, I'd think you'd just be screwed all the way. If it's not, what's in it that isn't accessible via editing the HKEY_LOCAL_USER hive? If there is anything, then one of the specialized tools can do it. Just log in as another user, then you can edit the offline NTUSER.DAT file and remove anything need to. As to the stuff in the per-user Cakewalk directory, you are removing and reinstalling SONAR, so obviously you can just trash that whole directory if the SONAR uninstaller doesn't do it for you.


I haven't worked with any tools to modify the "ntuser.dat" file, as it's easy enough to set up a nice default user profile that has all your program settings just as you'd like them, including license info (for many programs), which will then be applied to any new user account that logs into the system. Even if you haven't set up the default user account as such, it's easy enough to just let Windows create a new profile by wiping out the old one. At my "real job" I configure, support, and maintain 250+ PCs as part of my job duties, and most of them are secured using mandatory user profiles ("ntuser.man"), and it's interesting to note that corruption can creep into the "ntuser.man" file over time which can totally cripple an application, even when it "shouldn't" ...I have always been able to fix these issues by recreating a new user profile.

Anywho, I hope we hear back from the OP to see how it all worked out!

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/19 10:53:32 (permalink)
There are registry settings found in the "ntuser.dat" file and the "...\application data\cakewalk\..." directory which do not "reside" in the registry, per say, but are only called upon when a user logs onto the system. So....., cleaning the general system registry will not effect the corruption once it sets in the user profile.

One thing to try is to copy over the "ntuser.dat" file and "...application data\cakewalk" folder found in the new user profile into your original user profile folder (when logged on as a different user account as an admin, after a fresh restart).

You could also try logging on as a different admin account, and delete the entire original user profile for the account that is not working with SONAR. This will force the system to creat an all-new user profile for the original user. That may work!!

BTW: I experienced this issue before the 6.2.1 update.

-mr moon


Thanks for the advice, mr moon.

I did not want to delete/recreate the original profile because of all the customization that's been done under that profile that would be difficult and time-consuming to reconstruct, e.g. extensive email filters in Outlook. SONAR is the only thing that doesn't work right under the old profile, so I'd like to fix SONAR under the old profile.

Because SONAR works fine under the new profile, I attempted to make the new profile look like the old one so I could just switch to it and be done. That included copying over all the desktop shortcuts, d&s\application data, ntuser.dat, ntuser.dat.log and ntuser.ini. Outlook was a major PITA - I got the address book over there but was stumped on how to get the email filters transferred.

I spent most of Saturday working on it, but by Sunday night it had ceased to be an interesting exercise. So I returned to my original strategy of attempting to correct whatever had gone wrong in the first place. I could have re-re-installed SONAR under the original profile and that probably would take care of the problem, but I wanted to understand what actually went wrong in the first place. It doesn't seem right that an application is only runnable under one profile.

I'll have to wait until next weekend to resume this task, as real life demands I return to my day job for the week. In the meantime, I have a workaround, which is to invoke SONAR via the RUNAS command. If I ever figure it out I'll definitely post the resolution here.








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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/25 14:37:02 (permalink)
Any fix for that annoying error??
It just happened to me today agrrrrrr!!
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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/25 15:29:27 (permalink)
Haven't heard anything. But...

Is the moral of the story, for the time being, to not attempt to use SONAR on any User Account other than the (Administrator) one in which it was installed?

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/25 15:29:44 (permalink)
droddey,

Being in Mountain View, you are close to someone doing something quite similar to your dream idea. South Bay School of Music Arts in Milpitas. When I lived up there, I took guitar lessons and got involved in their studio band projects. The Co-owner Joe Santoro, does an unbelievable job and is also one of the nicest and most honest guys you'll ever meet.

Check it out. I don't know if it is even remotely interesting to you or not, but your idea just kinda reminded me of the great times I had at SBSMA.

FWIW,

Erik

P.S. Sorry for the OT but I had to say something. :)





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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/25 17:13:18 (permalink)
CW support did not respond to my email, so I'm making do with my workaround, which is to invoke SONAR via the RUNAS command and execute it under a different profile.


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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/25 17:35:49 (permalink)
Sometimes it's a matter of throwing up one's hands, resigning to the powers-that-be of OS inefficiency and ineptitude, and blowing away their mischief with a Ghost image refresh. Had to do that with a recent mishap, and it was neat to see the system come "back to where it once belong". Took all of 20 minutes (my kid has a lot of games on his C: drive, else 'twould've been faster).

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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/25 18:19:48 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: losguy

Haven't heard anything. But...

Is the moral of the story, for the time being, to not attempt to use SONAR on any User Account other than the (Administrator) one in which it was installed?


Actually I installed Sonar in a user account with administrator privilegies and it is the same account as the one I'am trying to run Sonar in.

Fortunately The workaround bitflipper described (running Sonar via the RUNAS command) is working here too but is a bit too weird and annoying.

I hope the bakers come with an elegant solution to this problem, meanwhile I'll try to find a fix on my own.

Thanks guys for your help!!
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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/06/26 03:40:48 (permalink)
well, im facing the same problem, except my user account seems to be burnt even more than whats described here...
i was running cakewalk and some other programs and suddenly there was a problem with my ups, so the comp went off immediately... and then the ups stabalized again, so i started my comp again, logged into the administrator account that i always use, and found EVERYTHING set as default values, everything in my whole account was set like factory settings... desktop settings, registry keys, everything... which means lots of programs want me to set them up all over again and all that jazz...
when i eventually got to sonar 6, it gave me that error message, about not properly installed. and so, i tried reinstalling it, and again didnt work... but i dont have a problem creating a new account in windows to run sonar if it helps, i havent tried yet. its just that the whole account and all settings and cookies in every program is just gone, like it never existed... see, thats scary... :S -there anyone who can help pleaseoo? really, dude, its like a clean slate, its asking me if i want to take a tour of windows XP for heavens sake!!? :O THAT clean a slate..
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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/08/26 23:56:55 (permalink)
I had the same problem today when I used a migration utility (PCMover) to move my programs and settings from an old computer to a new one. :( So I used Process Monitor to see what was going on. I found that the path C:\Users\<your username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Crypto\RSA contained a file in one of the folders that Sonar didn't like. Yes, I'm on Vista, obviously, with that path. I deleted all the folders that were in the above path (after backing them up) and - presto - Sonar created a new folder with a new file at that location and Sonar is working again.
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RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2007/08/28 21:13:35 (permalink)
Great news!

At least in my case, hopefully yours too.

I was having the same problem. Sometime last week my laptop crashed and when it rebooted Vista had jumped back to a restore point a couple of weeks prior. Aside from the other problems this caused - this hosed both Sonar6 and Project5 - I was getting the "Sonar/Project5 is not properly installed" message. I did all the dance steps - uninstalled 'em, reinstalled, deleted registry items, etc., etc. etc., etc., multiple times and nothing worked.

I just installed the latest (today's Aug 28,2007) Vista online updates and after rebooting - both Sonar and Project5 are working!!!

I tried everything and thought I was going to have to reinit my laptop and start reconfiguring it all over again.

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Re: RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2010/08/23 07:23:00 (permalink)
Here's what I did to fix it...
The solution is to start the program each time with 'Run as Administrator'. (Right click on the Sonar icon to see that option).  Sure, it seems dumb to have to do that... but it opens properly so I'm happy . Don't re-install etc, it doesn't seem to be the issue.
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Re: RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2010/08/23 11:41:10 (permalink)
Ricko, look at the date on post #56. I think it's solved already ;o)

It's a good habit to check the date to avoid waking up the "dead".

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Re: RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2010/08/26 03:29:47 (permalink)
Thanks Kalle - good of you to point it out =-)
The prob seems to have surfaced this year for 8.5.3 users (separate forum page) so i thought I'd duplicate the solution here for those who arrive by Google. Cheers.
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Re: RE: "SONAR is not properly installed" WTF? 2011/06/01 19:13:10 (permalink)
Hi everyone, 

I know this is a very old thread, but as it is the primary one to show up in google searches for this issue, I thought I would reply here. 

This issue is due to the user account control in Windows. If you installed Sonar without UAC enabled, and then you enable it, you will have this issue.  However, if you turn off UAC, it should go away.  

To do this: 

click the start menu, type "user account control", and then select "turn user account control on/off".  Set the following screen to "never notify".  This will disable UAC, and you should be able to start normally, without the "run as admin" workaround. 

Again, I know this is  very old, but, I like to post fixes when I find them.  Hope this is useful to anyone who can use it. 


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