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2015/09/26 11:40:23 (permalink)

"Session" Players

Hey,
 
I'd love to have some other local artist do vocals, guitar, other instruments on my songs.  If I pay them, any idea on the rate?  Also, any approach on just asking to participate for the sake of being part of the project?  Not sure on how to work that.
 
I guess as an exchange I could track some of their stuff if they don't do that already on their own?
 
Thanks!
 
Donny
post edited by doncolga - 2015/09/26 11:51:55

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Re: "Session" Players 2015/09/26 12:58:38 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Anything less than $!,000 per minute is completely out of line, and my agent Craig and Record Company Bapu, will kill you with rotten/smelly cream pies!
 


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Re: "Session" Players 2015/09/26 13:30:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/09/26 14:01:04
Friends will often do it as "part of the project" and people looking for studio experience may as well. But is that what you really want? Actual studio players know what they are doing, and will often get better results, much faster.
 
In my area the expected rate (unless otherwise negotiated) is $100 per song on their main instrument... 1/2 price for added instruments. EG: A guitar player may do the required electric parts for $100, then add some acoustic for an additional $50. Buyer etiquette is to have a least 2 -3 songs ready to go... making their trip worth while. All of this is usually detailed before the person makes a trip over - no surprises.
 
Of course - this is "my area".... I'm sure it's very different in different cities.

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Re: "Session" Players 2015/09/26 13:49:46 (permalink)
I am a keyboard player with X3 and Platinum, and though about to move to Chicago, will be settled in with my new place in a couple weeks - I may be helping someone on a remote mix, but would be happy to try to help with some keyboard tracks - - we can send project files back and forth easily enough.
 
(edited to add - I have been playing keys for about 50 of my 55 years, and use mainly a soft-synth combination of Komplete 8 Ultimate and the Arturia V Collection for my synths - I have a bunch of additional sounds in Kontakt and FM8 formats, for a total of literally tens of thousands of sounds).
 
I routinely create projects with a stereo track imported from the exported audio of the full project, so that my guitar player friend has what he needs to be able to send me back new guitar tracks that I can then paste into the actual full version of a given project - this works well for us, and the transmitted projects are this way much much smaller.
 
If any keyboard tracks would assist you - I would be happy to try, and am confident we would be able to send things back and forth without issue,
 
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Re: "Session" Players 2015/09/27 02:00:58 (permalink)
You could always try a site like Airgigs or Fiverr. Never tried them myself but they look interesting. 
 
http://www.airgigs.com/
http://www.fiverr.com 
 

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Re: "Session" Players 2015/09/27 11:13:43 (permalink)
I have a good friend who's used guest players on every one of his 20 albums, with great results. Many of them performed for free or cheap, including yours truly. I've played on maybe a dozen of them and the most I ever got paid was when he gave me a TEAC 3340S back in 1980. That was his first LP, before he discovered that I would have done it for gas money. I did most of those sessions purely for the joy of collaborating with inspiring players.
 
So how did he hook up with all these fine players? Jam sessions and open-mike nights.
 
His engineer/producer would often host jams at his studio. Through that one connection alone I met many extraordinary players. Sadly, that friend has passed away, but I still keep in contact with some of the people I met through him. Some are active in Thursday-night open jams hosted at a local bar. It's a gas to play there because the audience is made up of other musicians, so they're with you from the first bar.


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Re: "Session" Players 2015/09/27 13:02:56 (permalink)
I'm essentially open for business doing session guitar work and I come cheap (just scraping up extra bucks for groceries and studio stuff). Although I've only posted my metal creations here I do pretty much any style (except staunchly traditional jazz and classical) and can either learn parts you have written (MIDI) or lay down my own leads/rhythms appropriate to the material. I am currently mostly limited to electric work because I don't have a proper recording environment for full on acoustic recordings (I can theoretically do them but it's problematic and I have not done thorough tests of the room/gear yet).
 
I provide dry mono wave file exports at whatever samplerate/bit depth the client uses so they can add their own guitar sims/effects.
 
I can of course also provide exports with custom tweaked effects and/or send amp sim presets for whatever sims you have locally so you have a starting point but still are able to tweak. I currently own GR5, the full version of TH2 as well as the sims that have come with the top level version of Sonar since X1 Producer (so GR4, TH2 Producer, Cakewalk Amp Sim and the Craig Anderton guitar FX Chains any of which I can use instead of GR5 or TH2 so you are able to tweak the sounds on your own system).
 
I can also put together Prochannel presets as well.
 
I do the bulk of any comping/editing that needs to be done but leave things such as fade in/outs and other such things up to the producer (unless otherwise requested).
 
If I hear the file and don't think I can do it I won't lie and waste your time. As a new upstart with a lot of pride and a touch of OCD I tend to go well above and beyond anything a more established session guy would (and for much less money).
 
All transactions of files and payments are done online so you don't have to deal with some bumbleclown coming to your studio or whatever. Also I do things in two phases. The first is I learn/write a "scratch" version which I submit for approval so you can check out a rough version/mixdown of what you will receive. If approved I perfect the part(s), retrack, resubmit a mixdown for approval and then we complete the transaction.
 
I play bass as well but would not classify myself as a "bassist". Certainly good enough for simple foundation stuff though and I know how to make a bass track mesh well with my own guitar tracks.
 
Wish I could offer vocals as well but again that comes down to not having a proper tracking room... and I haven't sang in years now.
 
You can PM if you need. You've always struck me as a good guy so I'd be happy to work with you.
 
Cheers.
 
Edit: Oh... and I own (and still have intalled) every version of Sonar since X1. X1 Production suite, X2 Producer, X3 Producer and SOnar Platinum (currently on Gloucester but still have an active subscription). So I can work in any of those versions if necessary but prefer Platinum or X3.
post edited by Beepster - 2015/09/27 13:24:06
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Re: "Session" Players 2015/09/27 13:40:12 (permalink)
Now that my shameless self promotion is done...
 
For local dudes and just getting artists in the door for free I agree with bit. Get thee to some clubs/coffee house/open mics/jams to check out the talent. The offer of some tracking time can be quite alluring to upstarts. It's a lot of wrangling and finagling though and the really good artists may be hard to snag. I know I used to get all sorts of offers to do this that or the other and pretty much rejected most of them unless I really knew the person. Even then I was usually too busy with all the projects I'd gotten into so it turned into a lot of "yeah, I'll call you when I get some free time" then nothing happened.
 
When I first started recording and even had my own little room with all the gear it was a b*tch even trying to coordinate studio time with my OWN bands/bandmembers.
 
Honestly the most frustrating part of being a musician for me over the years was other musicians and all their quirks. I finally started working with some real pros near the end who were reliable but they were so busy themselves it was hard to schedule stuff.
 
I sorely miss rehearsals and live gigs but in a lot of ways I am quite happy to be all by my lonesome in my modest little DAW room. I don't have to count on anyone else to get things done anymore.
 
Best of luck in your search though. The best thing about working with other musicians in the meatworld are the friendships and all the musical knowledge that gets passed back and forth. As much of a pain as it can be it is totally worth it for those reasons. I'm just a cranky, burnt out old curmudgeon. lol
 
Cheers.
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