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"Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
"Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune https://soundcloud.com/bats-brew/twilight-raina true story from childhood.... the arrangement is a bit jazzy, with clean electric guitar and acoustic guitar blended, no drums, it's almost like a spacey folk tune. njoie
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/18 14:39:28
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This is one of your better songs, in a long list of many. I know I've said this before, but your voice has that Jon Anderson quality, and the arrangement reminds me so much of Yes. Yet, there are differences. You write better lyrics that not only have personal meaning to you, but could work for many others. The overall production screams QUALITY! Thanks for sharing and being prolific.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/18 15:17:44
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I swear I was going to mention Yes and Jon Anderson BEFORE I saw Lynn's post! I love this track, and it totally reminds me of Yes, which is quite an accomplishment considering their immense creativity and virtuosity. I can't find a single thing to nitipick about it. Fantastic!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/18 21:46:39
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Yes!! and Mr. Anderson!! This is just another example of your creative abilities not only instrumentally but vocally, as well. Nothing wrong on this one to critique. Sounds awesome, as usual. Great Song!! Peace and Blessings, John
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/18 21:57:39
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I love this one. Not sure what bass you used but it pins the whole thing down really well here.You have the harmony down. I like the nice clean sound you got with the guitars. I would listen to this again.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/19 18:49:11
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lynn, thanks so much for saying all that. i appreciate it. moreso, i'm just glad you like my song!! heheh
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/20 14:00:54
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Whew, tremendous tune here bats. Totally loved everything...wouldn't change anything from what you delivered here. Subjective for your head: I would have liked the lead vocals a little louder or the guitars a little lower. Everything was perfectly audible at all times, don't get me wrong. I just felt the voices were a bit underneath the guitars. Thank God the guitars sounded so great. LOL! Nothing worse than when someone pushes a guitar sound a bit in front of the vocals only to have it degrade the performance. That wasn't the case here. :) One other thing...totally loved the guitar solo and sound. However, I would have REALLY loved to have heard you solo on acoustic in that section. Use a sound sort of like what Eddie got on Spanish Fly? That would have worked and sounded so cool there. But again, what you played was incredible and everything as it is was spot on. Just telling you what *I* may have tried if it was my tune. Vocals were insanity. All you good singers from Canada have the ability to pop out a nut or something to sing so high! I'm jealous! Hahahaha! Great job man...inspiring and very pro sounding from start to finish. Effects/atmosphere stuff was spot on too. Really enjoyed this. -Danny
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/20 15:37:11
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wow! fantastic one! when I first read "no drums" I was thinking hmmmm - but I am not missing them at all. great harmonies!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/21 16:42:19
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I love the song and the harmonies are great
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/21 18:31:07
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You know I love this one off your CD. I have this one and "Batsblues" from that CD on my MP3. Great stuff, buddy!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/21 23:46:25
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Excellent playing and singing as always. I really do love your voice and style. I think I agree with Danny's comments on lead vocal level. Beautiful stuff. Rimshot
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/22 13:18:09
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Really enjoyed this - great mix, great lyrics. I can see the Jon Anderson and Yes comparisons but it's more of a 'reminscence' than anything concrete. Marvellous. Cheers, Terry.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/22 13:40:37
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My ears liked this, I heard a bit of RUSh along with Yes in the opening. There is absolutely nothing I could say that would mean anything. Thanks for sharing your talents.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/24 15:33:30
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wow guys, i appreciate all the comments... i've been out of town, someone in the family died, had to fly back east from salt lake and deal with all that... so i've been out of pocket. i'll reply individually shortly...
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/24 19:48:41
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Great song! I thought it was really original. The mix sounds great--everything sounds unified to me (if that makes sense). I found this song relaxing (not boring, mind you). To coin a phrase perhaps overused: sweet...
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/24 19:59:34
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I don't know how you do it - you continually put out some of the best music around - this is really one of the best I've heard in a long time - love this.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 12:14:42
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waltenstein thanks for listening, and the comments. i have to embrace this 'yes' thing, i guess. heheh honestly, i don't hear it at all, but that's cool, i like yes.. and jon anderson, i'd never aspire to sing his stuff. he's to unique to try to copy....
theguitarplayer you know, this song was written as an instrumental long before i came up with the melody for the lyric, but once i got the basic first line down, the vocal part came together almost immediately, like there was no other version of it in my head. LOL doesn't happen like that very often, not for me.
STARISE glad you like this one, and yeah, the guitars are clean, but have a bit of edge to them, i'm just not hitting them hard. the bass: i used my Carvin LB70 on this one, tried to get it beefy without being woofy. without any percussion or drums, i really needed something like that bass line to tie it together. i never know about mixes like this, until after it's done. i'm just shooting from the hip with it, and change it until i can live with it. LOL
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 12:21:06
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danny thanks for the nice review...
and all the opinions on the mix and sounds and whatnot... whether i use any of them or not, they are a great sounding board. i mean, everything you say, triggers a synapse or two in my grey matter, and makes me think about possibilites i maybe hadn't come across. it's all good. you know, i spent several weeks mixing this, you know, an hour here, live with it for a day.. come back a couple of days later, start over, try something different.... etc, ad naseum.. so i had a version louder vox, and for some reason, my voice just got on my nerves. LOL so, i ended up with a compromise between what I thought really worked with the overall mix, in a BAND setting, and what i thought some real producer would have made me set it for a 'VOCAL' only setting, with the music as backdrop. i just can't get away from the fact that i'm always going to prefer vocals that are blended into the music, because for me, the vocal is just an extension of the music i hear in my head, and it's integral with the backing tracks. it'd be like mixing a guitar solo too loud, which i try not to do anyway, because then it's too obvious i'm favoring guitars!! heheh but i had not thought about a nylon string guitar approach... not just because i don't happen to have one right now, i could get one to use..... that's an intriguing idea. i might re-visit that....... if i do it, i'll give you a production credit!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 12:22:55
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speedtom no drums, yea, that's kind of a weird thing, i know. one of the reasons i tried it, was just to see if it would work. the demo i have of it, the original, has full drums, sounds like maybe an old eric johnson style song. but i stripped it down to this... glad you dig it.
champchas thanks man. the harmonies were easy to write, but hard to get on mix!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 13:04:38
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batsbrew danny thanks for the nice review...
and all the opinions on the mix and sounds and whatnot... whether i use any of them or not, they are a great sounding board. i mean, everything you say, triggers a synapse or two in my grey matter, and makes me think about possibilites i maybe hadn't come across. it's all good. you know, i spent several weeks mixing this, you know, an hour here, live with it for a day.. come back a couple of days later, start over, try something different.... etc, ad naseum.. so i had a version louder vox, and for some reason, my voice just got on my nerves. LOL so, i ended up with a compromise between what I thought really worked with the overall mix, in a BAND setting, and what i thought some real producer would have made me set it for a 'VOCAL' only setting, with the music as backdrop. i just can't get away from the fact that i'm always going to prefer vocals that are blended into the music, because for me, the vocal is just an extension of the music i hear in my head, and it's integral with the backing tracks. it'd be like mixing a guitar solo too loud, which i try not to do anyway, because then it's too obvious i'm favoring guitars!! heheh but i had not thought about a nylon string guitar approach... not just because i don't happen to have one right now, i could get one to use..... that's an intriguing idea. i might re-visit that....... if i do it, i'll give you a production credit!
First off, I'm truly sorry to hear of your loss. I just lost 2 myself. It makes me not even want to sign on to Facebook because either someone is sick, or someone passed away. :( So I can relate. Cool....I'm sooo glad you took it the way I intended. I almost wasn't even gonna give you a "here's my take for what it's worth" because honest when I tell you, it was perfect just the way it was delivered. I wasn't meaning to nit-pick at all, honest. I was just listening and thinking....man, this is blending SOO good...I might raise the lead vocal just a bit to even it out with the guitars. You know, just for that "impact". I was doing the blend thing also in my mixes (which I personally prefer over a vocal that's too loud) and then I started hearing from credible people that my vocal could come up a db or so. So I started bringing it +0.5 louder once I got it to the level *I* liked. It felt a little too loud to me, but it really did give my stuff a little more impact. A lot of that (in my case at least) is due to me knowing the words and what comes next, ya know? Like a person (or producer) mixing my song would probably bring the vox up a little louder than I would. And, I hate my voice more than I like it so I'm a bit conservative as well at times. Your voice is awesome...but I know how it goes with the whole "my own voice can annoy me" situation. If you were here in the states, you could sing and play guitar in like 3 cover bands and make about $3000 a week with your talents. LOL! Add in doing a YES, Rush or Triumph specialty show and you could be a very well-off guy around here. Hahahahaha! You probably already are over there....and if not, you should be. :) Yeah, I loved that guitar solo...nice and creamy, good licks, you played for the song (you always do anyway) and showed great restraint. But as I was listening, that nylon thing kept on going through my head and I figured, heck, maybe he'll take it as "ok I never thought of that...cool idea" which is how you took it. But honest, again I stress...this was perfect the way it was on all levels. I really shouldn't have mentioned anything at all...but I'm glad you took it the way you did as I have nothing but major respect and admiration for you. :) Great job and thanks for sharing. -Danny
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 13:09:20
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thanks again danny.. oh, by the way, i'm a southern boy, born in louisiana, raised in florida, traveled all over the southeast, then moved to salt lake city from charlotte NC, back in 2000. i don't know where the 'canada' thing came across, but hey, i've been to Whistler ski resort, TWICE, so there's that. LOL
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 13:14:05
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Oh man, no kidding?! For some reason, I thought you lived in Canada! So sorry about that. Not sure where I got that from..wait....I remember seeing video's you posted. In the snow in Canada maybe? And I must have assumed you lived there? Maybe you shared vids of your trip to Whistler and I got it all wrong? Oh man...really sorry about that. Maybe because you could hang with Geddy Lee and Rik Emmet in their prime. Hahaha! *smacks self in head*
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 13:57:07
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 14:02:36
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u mighta seen my pic of me in front of my house and mt olympus, and thought it was canada!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/25 14:05:06
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a little info on the electric guitar i used on this tune: The Williams Special.The Williams Special is a Les Paul-Strat-Mustang-Explorer hybrid, with hollow body cavities, Mustang scale length, built like a paul with mahagony and maple top, with vintage-dimension strat body, explorer headstock. back of body/neck: (semi-related: my first guitar was a '75 Fender Mustang.)This guitar was commissioned in 1986. It is a Gibson Les paul-Fender strat-Fender mustang-Gibson explorer HYBRID. -built by Stan Williams, Rome Georgia. -based on the Fender Mustang scale length....this design is also similar to brian may's red special. -honduras mahogany body, with air cavities carved in the body below the maple top. -flame maple top, 3/8" thick. -vintage-dimension strat body. -2-piece flame maple neck, with ebony fingerboard. -no truss rod! there are (2) rectangular pieces of aircraft aluminum running the length of the fretboard. -flame maple veneer on headstock, front, sides, and back. -24" scale length. -jumbo frets. -custom inlays: mother of pearl, diamond shape, with a split diamond around the center pickup. -Kahler 2300 pro tremelo. -(3) off/on switches -master volume, master tone, 3rd switch now unwired- it was originally equipped with a EMG SA assembly, and the 3rd knob was the presence control. it now has (2) bill lawrence L-280's, and a duncan Little 59 humbucker in the bridge. -explorer headstock shape, true to scale. -long tenon set neck -13 degree tilt back headstock -graphtec nut, with locking kahler nut behind it. the Flame maple used on the top and neck, and veneers, was from a large timber (136 years old as of 2011) salvaged from a barn in Illinois. The honduras was acquired long before there were conservation laws on that particular wood (blank dates back to pre-1980). ___________________________________________________________ design criteria: the les paul connection. the basics of the les paul (the obvious basics) are: slab mahogony body; maple top; strings on top of body; 2 piece maple neck; glued in neck, long tenon; tilt back headstock, no string trees required. later, in 2008, they started weight relieving the standards, but remember, i built this in 1986. so, the Gibson nod starts there. mine has: Honduras mahagony body -- maple top -- strings on top of body via the Kahler -- 2 piece maple neck -- a glued in neck with long tenon -- tilt back headstock. it's really not hard to see the connection. but my design tried to improve on all of this, because it also was capturing the best ideas of other guitar designs. for example: the volute on the explorer headstock is inherently stronger than the les paul (commonly known over time for breaks at the neck), plus i liked the headstock shape; the weight relief is secondary-- the sound cavities i had routed strictly for that semi-acoustic property, making the guitar, at stage volume, extremely lively - this followed the basics of the Brian May Red Special, which was my starting point. his guitar is designed more like a 335 than mine, but i went there as much as i could without floating the top over a central beam; the ebony fretboard brings out more les paul-style tonal characteristics than, say, a rosewood fretboard would have; the glue in neck was a must, and unlike the les paul, which has that awkward heel, mine is smoothed out right into the back of the body, without so much as a line. the tonal effect with the glued in neck, and the long tenon is an obvious connection to the les paul lineage; the tilt back headstock was unnecessary with the kahler locking nut, but i added it anyway, feeling that the downward pressure of the strings still helps to maintain a strong connection to the neck, vibration wise, and this is very much in les paul territory; the strings on top, versus thru the body, is a very important link to the overall sound, and the use of the kahler is a great way to bridge the gap between a stop tailpiece and a floating trem. tho they didn't have them then, now kahler has a 'hybrid' tailpiece, that can lock as a hard tail, or float as a trem. best of both.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/26 18:28:22
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warren i'm glad you like my stuff. thanks
rimshot appreciate the comment, it's good to get multiple direction on the same thing, i'll play with those levels.
purple thanks terry.... yep, reminiscent i can live with LOL In and around the lake Mountains come out of the sky and they Stand there
wookie thanks man, yes, rush would probably be more of an influence than yes, but anything is possible.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/26 19:09:45
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If a young Michael Penn was asked to write a tune for yessongs, this would probably have been exactly what they recorded. Fantastic. In the car, the bass sounded a bit too much in 400-500hz range, but that could just have been the car's response again.
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/27 02:36:15
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yes Yes YEs Yes YEs YES...did I mention yes this is FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/27 05:07:38
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Very pleasant and elegant tune! Thanks for the ear candy! All the best!
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Re: "Twilight Rain", a soft spacey rock tune
2013/09/27 16:28:27
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gtrpastor thanks! glad you weren't bored! heheh
clean thanks mark, glad you are liking this one. it's pretty mellow for me, but feels the same as my other stuff to me...
jamesyoyo hehe, mike penn writing for yes. that'd be an interesting combo!! 400-500, thanks for that headsup, i'll do some research on that specific range, and see what's up. when i master my own stuff, i usually am far enough away from tracking it, that i forget the actual sound of the mix... so i'm not thrown by overall eq.. and i try to smooth out any buildups, all the way back to the tracking, and if there's a strong presence in a certain range, i tend to leave it rather than mess with it, thinking i'm sticking to a particular part of the puzzle that just wants to be heavier in that range. but it's good to go back, in retrospect, and figure out buildups like that, to find out if it's intentional or just plain missed. so thanks
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