Jonbouy
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 21:23:44
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wow--some uptight responses on this Where? I must have missed 'em...
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rbowser
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 21:28:40
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Jonbouy
wow--some uptight responses on this
Where?
I must have missed 'em...
lol. RB
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 21:40:05
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Wait...I've got it...I've been giving it hours and hours of consideration and I've even asked and emailed a group of my friends in the "industry" for their feedback (and you know what that means!!!!!!) and the consensus is....wait for it..."That's just how I roll!"
Whaddya think??
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chrisharbin
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 21:51:39
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yorolpal
"That's just how I roll!"
Whaddya think??
I think you've been assimilated.
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Lynn
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 21:56:54
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yorolpal
Wait...I've got it...I've been giving it hours and hours of consideration and I've even asked and emailed a group of my friends in the "industry" for their feedback (and you know what that means!!!!!!) and the consensus is....wait for it..."That's just how I roll!"
Whaddya think??
Try a vaporizer.
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Ham N Egz
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:00:40
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wasnt there a post on the 10 most overused buzz words here ?
yes the marketing departments are full of dunderheads as of late these UNDER 30 college of
business wunder bois and gurls must not listen to their old goat professors and thing they discovered the next new thing ...
yes little did bapu know that X1 changed everything for the wurst?
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amdrecording
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:01:37
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chrisharbin
amdrecording
I use workflow at least twice in every one of my posts, just to make sure people know how awesome I am.  ...
But seriously, I think the term can be helpful and descriptive, even if it is totally overused (admittedly by me!) workflow.
-Alex
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aha! you caught me. Thanks for fixing. I need to fix my forum post workflow, something about that workflow isn't quite "flowing", if you know what I mean. :-)
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:12:03
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I know much of this thread is tongue-in-cheek, but workflow is a serious topic. Yeah, it means different things to different people, and that's probably the problem. Here's how I think of workflow. If I'm trying to work on a project, I expect an intuitive interface with thoughtful defaults, and tools (and buttons) in places where we would expect them to be; when performing common tasks, I expect a minimum of key presses and mouse clicks to do them; routing should also be flexible and intuitive. In other words, all the things that help you get music production done faster. If any part of the software is getting in your way, especially when compared to competing products, there is legitimate room for complaint.
Of course, I haven't even seen X1 yet because Cakewalk's registration system is glitching out and now giving my info. *grrrrr*
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Jonbouy
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:15:18
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"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
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chrisharbin
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:18:20
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amdrecording
chrisharbin
amdrecording
I use workflow at least twice in every one of my posts, just to make sure people know how awesome I am. ...
But seriously, I think the term can be helpful and descriptive, even if it is totally overused (admittedly by me!) workflow.
-Alex
fixed
aha! you caught me. Thanks for fixing. I need to fix my forum post workflow, something about that workflow isn't quite "flowing", if you know what I mean.
:-)
haha! lol
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:19:12
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What kills me about the workflow thing is that there are supposedly all these people that have been using Sonar for years and within days of X1 release it somehow has a faster workflow. Which is completely ridiculous knowing the crazy amount of info that is no longer available, plain missing or takes more clicks to get to.
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Bub 
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:34:41
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I know much of this thread is tongue-in-cheek, but workflow is a serious topic.
Hey Beavis, he said tongue in cheek. eh heh hehheh hehehehe heh hehheh.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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yorolpal
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:41:24
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Hey musicman100...no need to duck for low flying planes:-)
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Jonbouy
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/02 22:46:26
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Hey Beavis, he said tongue in cheek. eh heh hehheh hehehehe heh hehheh.
ROFLMB&BO That works on so many (LOW) levels...
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/01/02 22:48:27
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tarsier
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 10:57:37
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What kills me about the workflow thing is that there are supposedly all these people that have been using Sonar for years and within days of X1 release it somehow has a faster workflow. I've used Sonar since v1, so that's years. And in X1, some things are faster for me. Some things are slower for me. I haven't worked with it enough yet to know whether or not it's faster or slower on balance. And thus, I believe that some long time users actually are working with X1 more quickly than previous versions. I have no reason to doubt them, and good for them! So far for me, it seems to be about the same efficiency as previous versions, albeit with lots of new workflow to learn. Yes, I said it. Workflow. I will continue to say it because it means something along the lines of "my method of working with Sonar" and it's a lot quicker to type. It's a useful word to me. If my mere mention of it causes some people to snicker and mutter "he said 'workflow', heh, heh, heh" or even to ignore what I say, so be it. Odds are that everyone is better off ignoring what I say anyway.
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 11:21:02
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tarsier
What kills me about the workflow thing is that there are supposedly all these people that have been using Sonar for years and within days of X1 release it somehow has a faster workflow.
I've used Sonar since v1, so that's years. And in X1, some things are faster for me. Some things are slower for me. I haven't worked with it enough yet to know whether or not it's faster or slower on balance. And thus, I believe that some long time users actually are working with X1 more quickly than previous versions. I have no reason to doubt them, and good for them! So far for me, it seems to be about the same efficiency as previous versions, albeit with lots of new workflow to learn.
Yes, I said it. Workflow. I will continue to say it because it means something along the lines of "my method of working with Sonar" and it's a lot quicker to type. It's a useful word to me. If my mere mention of it causes some people to snicker and mutter "he said 'workflow', heh, heh, heh" or even to ignore what I say, so be it. Odds are that everyone is better off ignoring what I say anyway.
By definition "lots of new workflow to learn" means slower. With few exceptions everything I do with Sonar is now further away, takes more clicks, is gone, or is broken. Pretty much the only thing I like about X1 is the fretboard thing.
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bapu
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 11:21:25
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Jonbouy
The rude people should be blocked and mostly ignored.
One man's rude is another man's straight shootin', so who is the judge?
Bapu judges not. Bapu is as Bapu does, bless his heart.
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Amazed
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 12:56:53
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Workflow is a reality in many packages but I see little evidence of it in Cakewalks products. Wizards are the industry standard for enforcing a certain flow. e.g create new project. You might provide a name, folder, bits etc so by creating a wizard for this process you force the user to supply all of the necessary data at the correct point in a sequential fashion for a particular process. Bringing often used functionality to the fore is just facilitating a process.
It's not really workflow. It just makes a program easier to use. IMO
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chrisharbin
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 13:04:34
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maybe if we styled it out......"werkflo" or "wurkflow"
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jerry@macwood.com
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 13:08:29
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here here well said I struggling with teh first day of trying to use the new interface reminds me of the Microsoft ribbon in office ... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! Where are the features i use all the time! learning curves shouldn't be hairpin or uphill
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Keni
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 13:08:31
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Lynn
yorolpal
First, I'm not complaining here about X1 ( I could, but I'm not). Second, one man's "workflow" is another man's rats nest. Third, you can smell that sickly sweet but pretentious and precious odor of Jargon/Drivel emanating from your monitor's screen whenever it appears in a Thread title or post. Look Out!!! it screams...tedious and specious rationalization ahead!!!
There's nothing like the days of editing with a razor blade and splicing tape. Don't forget to clean your splicing block now and then.
...and de-mag the area!
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yorolpal
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 13:13:08
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I'm coming around to MO as suggested above. In fact I'm just using the word "MO" and not "M-O". Then, for good luck I added "JO" behind it. Yup, I'm stayin with MOJO, baby.
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bapu
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 13:17:43
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Yeah myolpal, my MOJO is working it's flow too.
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Jind
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 13:29:56
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10Ten
By definition "lots of new workflow to learn" means slower. With few exceptions everything I do with Sonar is now further away, takes more clicks, is gone, or is broken. Pretty much the only thing I like about X1 is the fretboard thing.
While I agree that there is lots to learn, and in X1 it is indeed a lot to take in and adapt to if you are a long time user - the question about whether it is an improvement or not, at least for me, will take some time as right now, while I do find that I'm liking many of the changes, they are still changes that require some time working with to really determine the lasting value of improvement. While it seems it's the "long time" users having the greatest level of discomfort with this release, I'd be interested in hearing what first timers to Sonar think, do they find the "workflow" (I know a dirty word in this thread) to be easy to follow, do they find themselves getting down to business with relative ease? A DAW can be a complicated thing when approached for the first time, the variety of tools one chooses to use inside a program can add a level of complexity to the basic functions of a DAW. Like others have said - we each use a similar tool in very differing ways. We all have different needs based upon the complexity of the music we create. We all make a program as easy or as difficult as we choose. Just observations of no greater or lesser value than others - as always your mileage may vary.
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jm24
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 14:34:07
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I think we should start using "Move Forward." As in, 'This is how I Move Forward in a project."
We can then use the acronym "MF" for shorthand. As is, "My ability to MF quickly has been reduced by the "improvements" of the "new" GUI interface."
This will make it much easier to quickly write during periods of distress, "The MFing MF changes really MFing make me angry when I try to MF."
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More so: the new GUI is so last decade. It now more closely resembles the stupidity of the MS tabbed ribbon. And PT,...
Would have been nice for the CW dudes to somehow MF beyond what now appears to be catching-up.
For EVERY business the majority of income comes from current/past customers. New customers do not pay for their acquisition until at least the 2nd sale. Yet way too many companies focus on the new with major advert budgets and gimmicks attempting to sign-up the newbees. This is 'specially stupid when many "old timers" are willing and able to pay more than the new and the young.
Reducing the price and increasing the time it takes to use the product is not a good strategy for longevity.
I think the CW managers have underestimated the attrition rate this new version will provide. And me thinks this version's changes (and pricing) will not result in use by more "pro" studios. Which would increase sales through influence and demostration.
I have not renewed my subscription. I will play with the demo of X1.5.3 when it becomes available to determine its viability for life in my house. But I am not interested in again waiting through 5 years/versions to get the equivalent of a TrackView button.
I have many programs that are years old that work fine, even with W7. S-8.5.3 will not turn into a pumpkin. And many of the other DAW programs will become better during the next couple of years.
J
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Ham N Egz
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 14:39:33
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AND THUS MORE STUFF GETS FLUSHED DOWN HERE
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
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bapu
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 14:41:26
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Ahhhhhh. I see this was flushed from upstairs. CW must be back online.
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Jonbouy
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 14:41:50
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musicman100
AND THUS MORE STUFF GETS FLUSHED DOWN HERE
Perhaps, this really should have been a CH topic in the first place though?
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Ham N Egz
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 14:59:41
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Jonbouy
musicman100
AND THUS MORE STUFF GETS FLUSHED DOWN HERE
Perhaps, this really should have been a CH topic in the first place though?
well yoropal is a bit of a stirrer-upper as is Bapu...
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
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Re:"WORKFLOW" is so last decade...
2011/01/03 15:01:00
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One man's rude is another man's straight shootin', so who is the judge? A big AMEN to the new HUSKIES bretheren 
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