jaz@jackzucker.com
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"nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
Is there anyway to nudge the now time to move it forward or back by miniscule amounts?
And is there anyway to keep a wave form centered while you adjust the horizontal scale?
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 20:34:31
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 20:34:52
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This is one of those "what the F" bits that has made me crazy from the beginning of Sonar.
Corrolary: select clips, zoom in to adjust placement, want to move the now time marker WITHOUT deselecting clips, have to change to use the right button to select now time, which displays the context menu, which requires moving left hand to press the esc key,....
Truely annoying.
After 6 years it seems we could have a control-key mouse-click to move the now time withou deselcting clips.
And so on.
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jaz@jackzucker.com
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 21:26:57
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Ouch. How can that functionality be missing. They should take a look at Adobe premiere for the user experience in terms of markers, now-time, nudging etc. It's so simple in premiere. I also like how in premiere the shift key makes the now-time snap to markers and beginning/endings of clip segments. Very handy.
Is there a way to get sonar to move the now time to the beginning of a split?
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 22:14:42
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Select clip or time region and press F7.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 22:20:19
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Is there anyway to nudge the now time to move it forward or back by miniscule amounts?
And is there anyway to keep a wave form centered while you adjust the horizontal scale?
Only way I know of is in the snap to grid options dialog de-select musical time and select absolute time zoom in to get to minute now time selections If you select all tracks and nudge - I think that'll work, if thats what you're trying to do HTH
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 22:24:59
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BTW: thanks for the Great stuff there on your sites, Jack
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 22:34:44
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Is there anyway to nudge the now time to move it forward or back by miniscule amounts?
And is there anyway to keep a wave form centered while you adjust the horizontal scale?
What you talking 'bout? How much is minuscule? You're talking markers and clips, Sonar can do markers and measures, and snap to clips with keystrokes. It can do fine, freehand by a click on the timeline. Use the G hotkey to snap the timeline to center after adjusting scale, of course the Now Time has to be in the target area. Use the Zoom tool to center a waveform area while magnifying. Ok, that may or may not help, but I honestly didn't know what you were asking for, thus the kitchen-sink answer. 
post edited by Laserich - 2008/03/22 22:54:22
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 22:52:20
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There is a easy way if you have a Mackie Control. Just use the jog wheel.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:00:34
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He is talking about moving NOW time in steps less than measure. The only option you have in Sonar is Ctrl+Page Up/Down which moves cursor by measure. I miss ability to move NOW time just a little, not a whole measure.
The link in post #2 leads to web page with very useful stuff. There are CALs specially created for moving cursor. You can keybind those CALs and easily move NOW time by small steps.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:16:49
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Try this - I discovered it by accident - press CTRL and Alt, and then left click and drag over the region you want to select - this bypasses the Now time.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:21:50
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I'm assuming you wanted to nudge the Now time for editing/selection purposes...
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jaz@jackzucker.com
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:26:06
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yes, the ctrl-alt drag (actually it's alt-drag) doesn't change the now time. I'm looking to do something like add a marker at the exact beginning of a wave form. In Premiere you just select close to it and move the now-time left or right with the arrow key. Surprising that such a simple thing doesn't work in sonar.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:31:58
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Just use the jog wheel. Now that Ive had a jog wheel for a year or two, I really dont know how I survived before. Jogwheel is where its at.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:35:34
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I'm looking to do something like add a marker at the exact beginning of a wave form.
Well, one more time: select waveform and press F7, then F11.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:37:01
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yes, the ctrl-alt drag (actually it's alt-drag) doesn't change the now time. I'm looking to do something like add a marker at the exact beginning of a wave form. In Premiere you just select close to it and move the now-time left or right with the arrow key. Surprising that such a simple thing doesn't work in sonar.
Try turning off snap to grid - checking the absolute time in the dialog box What version you got there ?
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/22 23:40:05
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Good to know I don't need to press CTRL and ALT at the same time - thanks.
I can drag markers by clipping on the "flag" of the marker in the time ruler - just zoom in while doing so. Also, in Snap to Grid I choose 128th for musical time, and then turn magnetic strength off - this has worked for me.
I'm a newbie, only in Sonar 7 Producer for 2 months, so if I say something stupid - sorry about that.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/23 07:09:52
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yes, the ctrl-alt drag (actually it's alt-drag) doesn't change the now time. I'm looking to do something like add a marker at the exact beginning of a wave form. In Premiere you just select close to it and move the now-time left or right with the arrow key. Surprising that such a simple thing doesn't work in sonar.
Try turning off snap to grid - checking the absolute time in the dialog box
What version you got there ?
Version 7...I'm trying to move in increments with the cursor though. I know about the grid but I want more accuracy and quicker adjustment than having to zoom out and click in another place. I should be able to move left and right with the arrow keys like in premiere pro... :) Oh well. thanks everyone for the thoughts.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/23 08:36:16
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Open Notepad, enter this line:
(do (+= Now 240))
Save as "Transport Forward 16.cal"
Put this file to the folder with other CALs. Go to Options > Keybindings and assign this CAL to whatever key you like. Now if you press that key, cursor moves 16th note forward.
For opposite do the same but start with
(do (-= Now 240))
If you want cursor to move by bigger steps, enter 480 or 960 istead of 240.
(Clock resolution must be set to 960 ppq)
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/23 09:17:49
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Perfect Vovchik! I ened up using += 5 and -= 5 and binding to right and left arrow. Thanks!
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/23 09:42:16
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Anytime 
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/03/23 09:57:20
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Looks like I should read up on the CAL script language.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 16:01:24
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Open Notepad, enter this line:
(do (+= Now 240))
Save as "Transport Forward 16.cal"
Put this file to the folder with other CALs. Go to Options > Keybindings and assign this CAL to whatever key you like. Now if you press that key, cursor moves 16th note forward.
For opposite do the same but start with
(do (-= Now 240))
If you want cursor to move by bigger steps, enter 480 or 960 istead of 240.
(Clock resolution must be set to 960 ppq) This deserves a bump. And FWIW, to prevent bad behavior when cursoring back to time zero, I did this: (if (>= Now 30) (-= Now 30) (= Now 0) ) Note: The "do" is not necessary if only one statement is to be executed. And the second statement works like an "else" in the case that the cursor is less than one full increment (30 ticks in this case) from time zero.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 16:21:27
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Question on this. Now that I can move in small increments I notice that when I play forward or split from the current location after executing one of these moves, it does not return or split at the exact place the cursor is at. I don't have the zero crossing point snap enabled. Grid is totally disabled at this point...
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 17:33:50
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Question on this. Now that I can move in small increments I notice that when I play forward or split from the current location after executing one of these moves, it does not return or split at the exact place the cursor is at. I don't have the zero crossing point snap enabled. Grid is totally disabled at this point...
Hello, I'd prefer that you state what material you are working on and what you are trying to achieve. Maybe you shouldn't be doing this work in Sonar maybe you should be working in Audition or some other app. Why would you split a clip and not be on a zero crossing? You may not want to split on the grid but you certainly want to split on the zero crossing. So I'm confused about what you are trying to achieve. GK
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 18:30:20
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i'm syncing audio and video.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 20:27:38
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Now that I can move in small increments I notice that when I play forward or split from the current location after executing one of these moves, it does not return or split at the exact place the cursor is at. I'm not seeing this. How far off is it?
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 20:35:30
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not off by much. If you don't expand the view horizontally you probably wouldn't notice it.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 21:21:30
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not off by much. If you don't expand the view horizontally you probably wouldn't notice it. I've zoomed down to the sample level, and the split occurs right at the tick boundary, which may or may not be exactly on a sample point.
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RE: "nudging" the "cursor" (now time)
2008/04/21 22:17:12
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i'm syncing audio and video.
Hi, That's what I thought. Get a copy of Vegas Studio/DVD (about $140.00), you can download it (there's a downloadable demo too). Vegas is the right tool for the job and you don't need the full-blown version. However, the full-blown version has even better snapping tools, is worth the price. GK
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