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2017/03/08 01:01:15 (permalink)

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Friends,
 
Don’t want to clog up the respected forum with thread worn topics, but just to share a progressive change in perspective.
 
Was making an easy six figure income as a clinical pharmacist. Anything to buy, upgrade was pocket change, so was always seeking the latest and greatest. Upgrade, buy, use the toy for a couple days and then have the temporary thrill drop off into oblivion. Forgot everything I was buying and even tried to buy duplicate licenses for what I forgot I already purchased.
 
Chose to retire from the rat race in good grace. Now living in old age on a vegetable social security check, me and the wife. All is too much well, even if the norm says we are living below the poverty level and should be suffering without the ability to do an E. coli Bahama cruise.
 
But then the real thing hit. Have to be more restrained on vst and vsti purchases. Can always go back to work if the fever sets in again, but getting more comfortable into the retirement identity. Have to thus be more careful in the face of the GAS disease.
 
Three months out and have upgraded Revalver for $49 which I had planned since it first came out once I secured the warez crack. Got two of the fire sale one dollar libraries, Air something and a Sonivox something else dragging down hard drive real estate.. Makes the total credit card drain at $51 for 3 months, and even this too much in retrospect.
 
This may sound obscene, but receding from the newest latest and greatest, the ultimate fire sales if you act now, the once in a lifetime 20% off upgrades. New to die for reverb or echo. Starting to lose interest. Already got the effects, and in retrospect, too many of them that only obscure the primordial goal of making music.
 
Got all the synths and vst effects any human deserves or can use in a lifetime.
 
Crossed some maybe intellectual or practical brink. Realized that I don’t need nothing else and even the sense of needing something else is a defective mask obscuring native creativity. That latest real vintage accurate modeling compressor of some iconic hardware thing that will make your creativity soar to new heights for a mere $100. …Meh… So much Maya as the ancient Hindus advised.
 
Love to all of you,
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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 01:26:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 14:47:12
Watch out, John, you're about to make ... music.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 02:18:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 14:47:10
Oh crap...scary thought...
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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 02:50:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 14:47:20
I agree John but the truth of the matter is I can not retire until they close down the deals forum. That's reality for me.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 02:50:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 14:47:26
Gotta watch it...
My reality check bounced due of insufficient funds. 
 
I was listening to something I mixed 10 years ago - sounds damn good for something made with stone age software & equipment.
Now I've got 10 times more audio software & plugins and probably 10 times the CPU power (if not more) - am I 10x more productive?
Wish I could say I was 2x.  

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 04:07:23 (permalink)
TheSteven
Gotta watch it...
My reality check bounced due of insufficient funds. 
 
I was listening to something I mixed 10 years ago - sounds damn good for something made with stone age software & equipment.
Now I've got 10 times more audio software & plugins and probably 10 times the CPU power (if not more) - am I 10x more productive?
Wish I could say I was 2x.  




Exactly! Listened to something I created in PA 8 & 9. Clear and clean. Not overly done.
 
 

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 13:29:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 14:47:42
I truly believe that a moratorium on new plugin acquisitions can result in a huge boost of creativity.
 
At least, that's been my experience. In the early days, pre-software, I almost never added new gear. My musical productivity was at its apex, an album's worth of material every 2-3 months. Then I started using a DAW.
 
For a long time I could only make new acquisitions once or twice a year, and only bought things on sale at deep discounts. My musical output was still high during that period. Not as high as when I was recording to tape, but still acceptable. Poverty kept my creativity alive.
 
(Spend some time in a poor country where wages are $2-$5 a day and witness just how creative people can get!)
 
Nowadays, I am awash in new software. Overwhelmed, even. This past week I added four more sample libraries, three of which are huge and will require many hours to grok them. Projected musical output over the next 3 or 4 weeks: likely zero.
 
 


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 13:50:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 14:47:55
Yep. I've also found that the more VST's or VSTi's I get, the more time I spend preset scrolling and knob tweaking, and the less time actually completing a song.
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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 13:59:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 14:47:59
It's weird but it's true. Make things expensive and I don't buy them, meanwhile using and appreciating what I have. It's a crazy world. Take higher education in Europe for example, incredibly low cost when compared to the Ivy League. As a result, students are less active and just wait for things to come to them. So the solution would be to raise prices in order to make people more appreciative? Nah, I don't want to go with that kind of reasoning. Take museums as another example. Should we ask a higher entrance fee to make people appreciate culture more? To the contrary, I would say. Don't rate good things with money, 'cause their value will plummet.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 16:42:41 (permalink)
John, that was one of the BEST posts I have read in a long time. I am planning to retire from my less-than-six figure, but decent, income in two months. Since I have been planning this, I, too, seem less interested in continual upgrades or collecting the latest VST Rhodes (I have so many), etc.  And in fact, I totally agree that creativity, while it can be sparked by new tools, can also be stifled by the continual learning curve, spending sprees, etc.
 
I am so thankful you wrote this, it really hit me right where I live (and am going to live).  We'll see what happens to me as I edge fearfully into retirement (and joyfully focusing on making music!), but I believe in what you are preaching (or suggesting) and appreciate this thread more than you will ever know.
 
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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 16:49:05 (permalink)
Dave, regarding Rhodes, sometimes upgrading or crossgrading is not really that. Last year's (UVI) version of NSK was just fine, more or less covering the same instruments, but thanks to UVI's lossless compression you only needed 2 GB of disk size, while the new studio version needs ten times as much. And a few years back, there was that Kontakt version George Duke was so happy with. So you see ...

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 19:32:13 (permalink)
Dave and others.  Thanks for your kind words,
 
Off topic, but about retirement. The scary part was getting up to the point and maybe a month after. All the momentum from decades of frantic work doesn’t stop just because it’s not there anymore. Lots of time for music, but where’s the stress, insanity, burn out, lack of sleep blasted by caffeine and sugar to keep going. All the paranoid effort to stay out of trouble and stay employed. Took a couple months to even start to unwind and realize that I could watch the waves for a few minutes and not feel guilty about not doing something at light speed.
 
Me and the wife got married in our 30’s, had both been heathen missionaries with the Ananda Marga organization in separate parts of the world. Came together penniless while all our friends had gotten established in careers. Like Bit said, living in areas where extreme poverty exists is an eye opener. We used to laugh about the concept of recycling anything, because the real utility of the plastic bottle is in reuse, not recycle. Every piece of string, every scrap of paper. Makes low income life now not a problem since been there done that.
 
Human need is really minimal. Some food, water, clothing shelter and tools of the trade. Oh yeah, and some beer money. I’m starting to even question what use is money beyond the minimum necessities if everything else mentally and spiritually is in order. As far as I can see, going into the retired phase, there has to be enough to live clean and simple. There are 3 major unknowns however that can destroy any budget. Home repairs, car repairs and health expenses. Even without major events, no budget will ever hold true. Certainty is that the uncertain will happen.
 
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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 20:48:51 (permalink)
Great words on reusing instead of recycling. And on uncertainty. In the end, no amount of money will be enough to withhold or surpass the inevitable. Come to think of it, this capitalist system isn't so bad sometimes, as long as you're not a capitalist yourself. Just let most of them spend their money on things that aren't essential for a good life, and you'll be fine. As such, most things that are essential for a good life aren't really expensive. You have to eat, drink, love and make music. Everything else is either too expensive or not worth it. Just don't get caught into thinking you need stuff you don't. 

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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 20:59:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/08 21:33:09
Due to some very poor financial choices I made (even in low-mid six figure income for 10 years) it's unlikely I will ever "retire". If I can actually start collecting SS in ~23 months it's just gonna be augmented income at that time.
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Re: reality check 2017/03/08 22:06:07 (permalink)
I'm retiring at the end of this year. The first thing I'm doing is throwing away all my clocks.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 00:08:43 (permalink)
A lot of the issue is basic survival. If you can find a way to be housed, eat and have some level of transport and entertainment, Capitalism is quite good. (Self censored). As Fleer says being content with what you have helps.
 
Over on VI, i asked people to show music they made with free or relatively free instruments and there were a number of quite nice examples. Really at the level of plugs most people talk about here on the software and sales forums, music can be made to a significant level. Sonar itself is nothing to shake a stick at as far as tools for music making goes.
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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 00:15:02 (permalink)
I just celebrated (and I *do* mean "celebrate" in the sense of "joyous observation") the 3-year anniversary of my retirement on March 1.  The strange thing is that it actually seems like no more than about three months have elapsed, not three years.  Make no mistake, being retired *so* doesn't suck!  But at this perceived rate, I'll be at death's doorstep in seemingly no time at all, even if I mange to make it through another couple of decades.
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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 01:06:15 (permalink)
Deep stuff on the transition from you guys, because also the transition out of work heralds the transition out of life next in line. Rite of passage bringing the full circle one step closer. Got to be ready for the big event and all to follow.
 
First thing I did also was throw out the clock by my pillow that had tormented me for too many years. Now just wake up to morning light. Also the truth that time flies by fast. Subjective perception for all of us is that the further we exist through time, the faster it seems to pass. Pink Floyd's remark about 10 years gone by in a flash.
 
Wake up call for me last year was in the hospital doing a discharge counsel for some poor 71 year old dude with shot lungs. No fix available and zero quality of life to look forward to until death liberates from the suffering. Instead I got counseled. He looked at me crawling in to get him crawled out. Asked how old I was and what the hell am I doing still working with nothing to gain in the bigger picture.
 
The guy told me that at 65 he could have retired as a trucker, but figured to work till 70 to stash the last cash and get ready for the golden years in better comfort. He worked till 70 and his health went south and can't enjoy anything. His advice, to get out of the insanity while I still have the strength to crawl around on all fours.
 
Took the advice.
 
John
 
@Bapu...  I wouldn't worry about anything in your case. You can probably sell off software licenses and live like a king until you're a hundred and fifty.
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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 01:39:29 (permalink)
not that i am retired as such, but due to some fortunate circumstances, some of my doing and some just pure luck, i haven't had to 'work' for quite some years, and won't have to again this side of the grave. i'm lucky enough that i can do what i want when i want, if i want something i can buy it, and 100% of my time is my own, (well apart from when i have to sleep, haven't conquered that yet) even so, at the end of last year i decided i have enough plugins and instruments, i have almost all drum vst's, including everything for everything (at that time) but i'm not buying anymore (except bfd expansions as the are released) i wont purchase another non bfd pack, and will only purchase another drum vst when there is something that i consider better than bfd3, been doing well, passed up on the new ezd2 releases. same with amp sims, i pretty much have everything software wise, and everything of everything, but until something comes along that i consider better that BIAS, the only amp sim type product i will purchase is expansions for bias etc.
 
same with daw's, got all i need, until something comes along that i consider better than studio one 3 pro, i'll only be upgrading to it's next gen. (already have sonar platinum lifetime, so that's covered for a while, i will keep up with reaper as well even though i rarely use it)
 
plugins, i got enough, more than enough, only if something is outstanding will i consider purchasing it, will keep updating to newer versions of what i have like all the izotope stuff etc, but new purchases have and will slow right down, just don't need anything.
 
hardware though, well that's a different matter, just ordered bias head and bias rack, i'll keep buying guitars and basses periodically, maybe upgrade my e drum kit at some stage, and computers and computer hardware is on going by nature, but time to get off the software/plugin round about. it's been fun, but when you go looking through thousands of plugins and you come across stuff you didn't even remember you had, and even worse purchase stuff you already own because you forgot you already brought it, well it's time to slow down or stop.
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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 19:36:44 (permalink)
Great posts on this thread, and it really rings true as I countdown the days to retirement. I will likely have to work some, but hopefully doing more joyous type of work (like music). And the idea that John got when "counseling" the patient was exactly what I decided--you cannot possibly know if ages 66-70 will be healthy ones, and so I traded a few dollars more for a few more years of making more of my own choices. It's different for everyone, and if I absolutely needed the $$, or was already doing joyous work in my day job, I would keep doing it, because I do believe that work, or at least some form of purpose, is essential to keep us healthy and happy.
I intend to pursue my passions from now on, as others in this thread are doing or would like to do. While that definitely will include a new (hardware) piano for my new post-retirement location, I am slowing down the software binge to a trickle at best.  Time to focus on creating melodies, harmonies, and exploring the creative potential of the most advanced system ever--our brains.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 20:09:47 (permalink)
Lots of cool comments. Luck to all.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 21:33:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mosvalve 2017/03/13 22:31:01
Mosvalve
I'm retiring at the end of this year. The first thing I'm doing is throwing away all my clocks.


Don't do that!  You will need them so you know when to go to the doctors!
 
Retired and been there.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/09 23:39:29 (permalink)
Comment on Dave’s comment about the necessity to keep doing something. Critical truth.
 
Got into pharmacy late in life, oldest student in the class. Had retired as an aircraft mechanic. Too many layoffs in a volatile industry to support a family, busted knuckles and toxic chemical exposure. I had to strip about naked before coming in the door at home after work to not poison the wife and kid with all the carcinogens I had been soaking in for ten to twelve hours.
 
Forgive me if I ramble, but got plenty of time to ramble now…
 
A couple things to share…  One was a conversation between two mechanics about to retire at Boeing in Everett, WA. They were ready to go out on the last of the “golden parachutes” anywhere left.  Free healthcare for life and 75% of their last wage for life. Material security unto their grave.
 
They were congratulating each other on the good life ahead, how they had played by the rules, avoided getting fired on multiple occasions and finally achieved the American dream. The festive mood went silent for a couple minutes. One guy said “What happened. 35 years went like it was yesterday”
 
The other guy said “When I was young, I wanted money. Now I have money but I don’t have youth and don’t have health. What happened to us”
 
Second observation about the Boeing plant and how it kinda relates to the passage of life...
The environment was one where in good times you could work 12 hours a day, seven days a week. Big bucks for us blue collar grease monkeys. Time and a half, double time pay, triple time on holidays. In spite of the riches we used to try and hide out around Thursday late when the big boss man would come through and get forced “volunteers” to work the weekend shift. Crap, sleep was more important than money. I’ve already been here for two months without a day off.
 
Result was that you had a secure environment for workaholic prisoners. You did your thing, kept the planes in the sky but had no life outside the killing floor. They used to say, have all the money to buy any toys you want, but no time to play with them.
 
Problem was in the self identity of the individual and what happened when they were no longer in the only world they knew. They received retirement pensions and perks we can’t dream of having anymore. Majority dropped dead within 2 years of retirement. The local newspapers quit putting obituaries for Boeing employees because of the grim news. Quit Boeing and drop dead. No money, no doctor can save you.
 
I think we as a group of struggling musicians here are fortunate and maybe even blessed. Transition out of working for da man will not leave any of us stranded without hobby or purpose. Last note on purpose, IMHO only. Got to be something in our life, a burning flame to do something outside ourselves. Something service minded. Something to help and uplift humanity, plants, animals, the inert environment. Use of our artistic potential to heal and serve. Only in this sense can there be any golden years ahead.
 
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Re: reality check 2017/03/10 00:12:51 (permalink)
John, you are a writer. Honestly. Well said.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/10 01:16:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2017/03/10 17:41:45
I was in my 30s when I decided to opt for entrepreneurial self-employment. Work at home, no commute, no corporate bureaucracy, no office politics, no idiot bosses, no meetings, no set hours.
 
No vacations, either, but that seemed a reasonable tradeoff for the Type A workaholic I was back then.
 
The one thing I didn't think about at the outset was retirement. Didn't even occur to me. Consequently, I now may have to keep working until I drop dead.
 
BUT, nobody said I had to work as hard as I did in my 30's. I guess this is what you'd call semi-retirement: I still have a job, I just don't take it too seriously anymore. I'm not paying anyone alimony or child support and have no dependents. I drive a 12-year-old car less than 100 miles a month, wear jeans and t-shirts 7 days a week, I no longer own a boat, and have just the one hobby. So I don't need a six-figure income, or even half a six-figure income.
 
Oh, man, it just hit me: I've come full circle; I'm a hippie again.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: reality check 2017/03/12 00:19:02 (permalink)
Hey Bit,
 
Got you beat hands down. My car a 2001 Kia Rio. Only thing holding it together is rust. Them Chinese dudes never factored in salt air on the ocean front. It does however run kinda okay when the weather is warm.
 
My grandson is not convinced that all the girls swoon over me when I drive by the playground. I take some offense to him calling it things like rust bucket, piece of junk, the idea that I would have to pay someone to tow it away. It is a snazzy 2 door mean machine. (Two doors since I had to bolt shut the rusted doors on the passenger side)
 
Going full circle to the hippie existence maybe a good thing. Simple is best.
 
Starting to go through all the vast hoarder library of plugs bought on impulse over time. Realizing that what I have already amassed is too much to absorb in this lifetime even if I had any valid creativity left to use the arsenal. Getting to know Alchemy synth on a deeper level. Starting to understand why some claim it is the best synth ever made. Too bad the company went down.
 
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Re: reality check 2017/03/12 19:40:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2017/03/13 14:11:40
You guys need to buy a new plugin and live a little.
 

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Re: reality check 2017/03/12 20:39:56 (permalink)
Bingo. That's it. Off we go.

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Re: reality check 2017/03/12 21:23:59 (permalink)
> You guys need to buy a <XXXXX> and live a little.

That was my late cousin's attitude about AA.
 
 

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Re: reality check 2017/03/12 22:36:09 (permalink)
Hmm...
You guys might be right after all.
I think Flutes if Fire is still on sale for $10,000..
<XXXXX> sounds like more fun though.
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