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2010/03/18 14:36:18 (permalink)

recording old cassette into sonar

okay, i have a 25 year old cassette of a cover band i was in once upon a time. the singer wants me to record this over to sonar.
my plan right now is to run from a cassette player into my rme ff800 with the left and right channels going to separate tracks.
i'll open a different project for each song.
once i get these songs in there are there any tricks you might suggest for cleaning these up a little?
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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/18 14:57:27 (permalink)
    Ozone?   I've used it to put some like in an old cassette recording.... however it was a professional artist's tape.

    There are some plug ins that will do that sort of thing.... google will help you find them.

    Some of my old cover band stuff is kinda painful to listen to....

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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/18 15:09:00 (permalink)
    some of mine is pretty painful as well!!
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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/18 15:18:20 (permalink)
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    okay, i have a 25 year old cassette of a cover band i was in once upon a time. the singer wants me to record this over to sonar.
    my plan right now is to run from a cassette player into my rme ff800 with the left and right channels going to separate tracks.
    i'll open a different project for each song.
    once i get these songs in there are there any tricks you might suggest for cleaning these up a little?


    Can you get your hands on a cassette player with a pitch control ?  The first step would be to get the tape running in tune. What I do is just hold an automatic tuner up to the speaker till a long note comes by and triggers it. Works better then it might sound.  After you get the tape speed zeroed in as close as you can get it record the audio. I would do tracks with and without noise reduction. In some cases the deck noise reduction works best and in other cases doing some EQ and noise reduction in digital works better. Best to have both recordings to choose from. If the recordings were made on different machines but on the same tape you may have to retune between songs. Also, if the tape is shedding clean the heads each song also.

    Oh, hey... you're in Dallas. If it's worth a drive to Fort Worth you can borrow my old AMR deck... I'll check and see if it still works. It has a pitch control and a huge capstand flywheel weight (low wow and flutter).
    post edited by ohhey - 2010/03/18 15:27:06
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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/18 23:54:46 (permalink)
    For an old cassette tape I would definitely do some extra noise reduction.  Sound Forge and Audition are pretty good if you already have those.  I recently got Izotope RX and I like it better than Sound Forge's noise reduction. 

    If it sounds a little dull throw on an exciter.  CLAS from Refined Audiometrics is well respected.  Don't let the plain graphics fool you, it is good.
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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/19 00:27:22 (permalink)
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    For an old cassette tape I would definitely do some extra noise reduction.  Sound Forge and Audition are pretty good if you already have those.  I recently got Izotope RX and I like it better than Sound Forge's noise reduction. 

    If it sounds a little dull throw on an exciter.  CLAS from Refined Audiometrics is well respected.  Don't let the plain graphics fool you, it is good.
    http://refinedaudiometrics.com/products-clas.shtml


    I agree. I some cases I've had to overdo it a little on the noise reduction (more then one pass) and put the highs back with an exciter.  It really worked better then expected.
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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/19 07:01:42 (permalink)
    Noise reduction
    And this

    Both very nice additions to Sonar. Surely not limited to just the project mentioned.
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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/19 08:47:57 (permalink)
    You can also do things like misuse the bias controls to hype the hi end before you filter out the hiss etc. in a DAW.

    For example; you might play back a "CrO2" tape on the "normal" setting... and then filter out the hiss with a few passes of a FFT filter.




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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/19 21:39:25 (permalink)
    Back before I had a DAW, I did most of my recordings on a Fostex X-15 multitracking cassette.  I found that I could usually record 6 seperate tracks by first recording 4 seperate tracks and mix down to a stereo track on a second machine (lower 2 tracks) and then add on two more tracks on that tape. Over the years, the tapes started to loose a lot of top end and I had purchased an aural exciter. I was really surprised at how well this could replensh the highs without noise. Today we have the Sonic Maximizer which not only brings back the highs, but the lows as well.  It's great to have an exciter, but it really must be used properly. I also have a version of Magix Audio Cleaning Lab.  I really like the noise reduction unit in this.  You can use a sample of the noise from your recording ( Before the music begins ) to optimize the noise reduction.

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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/20 01:08:18 (permalink)
    I recently transferred some old cassette tapes to CDs.

    First I had to drag out my old cassette player from the closet and blow the dust off it. I gave the heads and capstan a good cleaning, always a good idea but especially necessary if the player's been in the closet for 10 years. Oxide residue on the head will really kill the highs!

    I'd even consider aligning the playback head in preparation, assuming your player has an access hole for the azimuth adjustment screw.

    Adobe Audition has a nice noise reduction feature that works great with cassette tapes. You give it a short sample of the hiss at the start of the tape and AA does the rest.




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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/20 13:33:24 (permalink)
    Normally, I'd just create a stereo WAV track. I don't know why you'd want to create separate left and right channel tracks for something like this but choose the method you feel most comfortable with. 

    I have lots of tools (not in Sonar) for this type of clean up work but I gotta tell you, one of the best bang-for-the-buck programs for cleaning up audio from tapes and records is Wave Repair

    www.waverepair.com

    It's like a $30 program that has some really nice features for removing hiss, pops, clicks, etc. I think it comes with a 30 day functional eval period so it costs nothing to try it out. The downside is that it's 16/44 only and it only works on stereo WAV files which isn't much of a limitation for work like this.

    Your biggest hurdle, possibly, will be: will the tape play at all? Sometimes those old tapes deteriorate simply from just being. The adhesive used to hold the oxide to the binder might have leached out and causes the capstan rollers to slow down. Or the oxide has fallen off in places resulting in dropouts. Or the tape just plain breaks. Or you get print-through because the tape wasn't stored properly. Some of these problems can't be cured with software tricks. Good luck!
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    Re:recording old cassette into sonar 2010/03/22 21:45:02 (permalink)
    I'd even consider aligning the playback head in preparation, assuming your player has an access hole for the azimuth adjustment screw.


    I'd definitely play with that if you can.  I used to tinker with cassettes a lot and was amazed at how different the head alignments were between different cassette players.  Tweak it back and forth until you find the spot with the brightest highs.  As mentioned, cleaning the player and calibrating the speed are also great ideas.

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