rockerrockstar
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recording with compressor or limiter
Question is it possible to us a limiter or maybe a compressor plugin so that the peaks don't clip. Maybe send the plugins though a bus to the record track. Then send the audio input to the bus or something. Let me know how to do this. I heard Protools can do something like this. It would be cheaper then buying an out board limiter for this since I all ready got the plugins. I want to record vocals where I think they sound the best but that sometimes produces some loud peaks that clip in the daw. Need an outboard limiter or compressor but maybe I could use plugins with some special routing. Let me know.
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StarTekh
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/11 22:36:26
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/11 23:23:58
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You have to compress or limit the track BEFORE it hits the AD converter, so using a plugin in the DAW will not work. If you have unlimited funding the UA 6176 or LA-610 work nicely. (there are lots of other "go-to" comps/channel strips, if you have the funds, others will weigh in) If not, try the RNC 1773 (Really Nice Compressor) google it, lots of bang for the buck. HTH
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/11 23:45:41
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Some audio interfaces come with built in compressors and EQ on every channel. Motu, RME and Roland all have an audio interface that allow you to print with effects. If you want to shell out for the real thing the ART PRO VLA II is a damm good compressor/limiter and it is very cheap, you should be able to get one for around $500, they're made in the US as well. Peace
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/12 00:23:23
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Can you record at 24 bit? If your sound card is only 16 bit then an outboard compressor is a good idea. But if you record at 24 bit then you can have huge headroom, with no fear of clipping. Set your pre-amp gain control so that the loudest sound doesn't clip, but then back off the gain a tad further for good measure. Do a test recording of the loudest parts of the song for confidence levels, and then you're set. Then you can use the "in the box" compressors (Pro Channel etc) to get the dynamics you need for the particular track.
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/12 01:28:12
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I have the RNC (Really Nice Compressor) and use it for recording vocals, but really I hear no difference between using it and just recording at a sane level without it and then using a compressor/limiter as needed once in Sonar. Too much stress on compressing from the get-go. Somerset's response is very helpful in that regard. RB
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/12 05:06:43
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+1 Randy & Somerset. Just back off the damned input level!
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/12 07:29:30
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Even cheap interfaces offer 24bit depth. Why bother?
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/12 12:13:23
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+1 Randy & Somerset. Just back off the damned input level! +2 Randy, Somerset & Jonesey. If you're recording yourself, it's hard to watch levels and concentrate on singing/playing at the same. But after a few practice run-throughs you should be able to find a setting that works consistently without clipping. Mark that position on your interface or preamp's Input control for future reference. This advice assumes you have an external audio interface or mic pre. If you're using a Realtek, well then you're just SOL.
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/12 12:33:58
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And keep in mind that an analog limiter will: 1. Have too slow of a response time, and let some of the offending peaks though anyway. and/or 2. Clamp down so hard and so fast that it sounds almost just like the clipping would (as it's doing essentially the same thing). Even if it sounds slightly better than digital clipping, it still won't sound good.
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/12 12:37:26
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Somerset Can you record at 24 bit? If your sound card is only 16 bit then an outboard compressor is a good idea. But if you record at 24 bit then you can have huge headroom, with no fear of clipping. Set your pre-amp gain control so that the loudest sound doesn't clip, but then back off the gain a tad further for good measure. Do a test recording of the loudest parts of the song for confidence levels, and then you're set. Then you can use the "in the box" compressors (Pro Channel etc) to get the dynamics you need for the particular track. +1! Agreed! 24 bit and back off the input level! I record guitar all the time with my PODxt with no problems.
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rockerrockstar
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Re:recording with compressor or limiter
2011/07/13 21:24:58
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Thanks for all the replys. I think for guitars I probably could get away with not using an outboard limiter or compressor but for Vocals I really do believe that having some outboard gear would be best. I am wondering about the signal chain. Would you put the out board pre plugged into the (channel strip, or compressor or limiter) then into the input box? Or would the Channel Strip have buit in mic pre too? I am sure it depends on the gear. I am just trying to get an idea of what is a good set up. I guess you can put in your own out board pre then have it go into something like an ART Vila II for limiting then into the interface box. I currently have a cheap ART Tube MP for my mic pre outboard but would like to upgrade to something better down the road. Probably would use something that has some good color for the vocals with a nice tube. Maybe I would start off by switching out the tubes in the art tube MP to see what that does. But later maybe upgrade to a much nicer mic pre. What should I look for in an interface to take advantage of outboard equipment. I am worried about losing the quality of the outboard equipment through the recording analog to digital conversion. Should I be concerned about this or do most interfaces do a good job with this? Do you need high sample rates to get a good recording for vocals using out board gear and what specs should I consider when getting an interface?
post edited by rockerrockstar - 2011/07/13 21:29:17
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