re-post: recorded grand piano editing

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2006/03/08 21:23:54 (permalink)

re-post: recorded grand piano editing

This weekend I had my first chance to record a grand piano (along with 46 voices, two violins, an Oboe, a clarinet, a trumpet and a flute!! All recorded on 16 simultaneous tracks via an Onyx 1620 Firewire), and I tried to really do my homework in advance to at least get a decent setup for the piano recording. The limitations of theory as opposed to real experience - and the oppotunity to try again! - are obvious in the recording I got.

I ended up with three tracks of piano: one from an XY pair of dynamic mics (SM57s, not matched) about three feet from the open lid; one from a Shure KSM44 mounted six inches above the XY pair - with lows rolled off, figure 8 pattern and no dB boost, and one from a pair of small diaphragm condensors placed under the piano.

The latter track is useless because it picked up every pedal push.

The other two tracks are decent - better than my worst fears about my first recording of an acoustic piano, in a concert setting no less, but they also definitely have that "in-the-room" sound, not just reverby, but also kind of "hollow" - no real presence, and sorely lacking the kind of definition and clarity I'm used to when in my home studio recording pianos from the Kurzweil 2600...

These tracks sound like, well, what they are: a piano in a room with a microphone (in other words, too much "room," not enough piano), faint and distant sounding (surprising, since the piano sound was pushing 90 dB where the microphones were placed).

Rather than simply go in and blindly throw a lot of eq at those tracks (my first inclination), I'd like to hear some experienced opinions on what might be the best course of action to improve the tracks I do have.

In an otherwise simply amazing recording (the tenors and sopranos will alternately make one cry or get gooseflesh...), the piano is, as I feared the real weak spot, and, I think, glaringly noticable.

Any sugestions?

Thanks!
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    DonM
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    RE: re-post: recorded grand piano editing 2006/03/20 19:42:49 (permalink)
    J:
    I do on-location recording for broadcast. I have just a few thoughts:
    #1 Improving the recording should be limited to making it sound live - listen carefully and use EQ sparingly (sp?)
    #2 What where the small condensers under the piano?
    #3 I wonder if some of the distances and mix of dynamic and condensors aren't affecting your sonics

    just some quick thougths

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    TheFingers
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    RE: re-post: recorded grand piano editing 2006/03/25 00:44:34 (permalink)
    Dump the Holy mic. 90 degrees may be innapropriate for XY on piano....did you try 100? Piano may be finnicky with the angle on XY.
    post edited by TheFingers - 2006/03/25 00:51:08

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