Reggae Bubble???

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (mike_mccue)

Sat, 26 May 2007 18:14:40 GMT

Oh Susan, I like that a lot better.

thanks,
mike

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Susan G)

Sat, 26 May 2007 18:01:50 GMT

ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

Ah I see the poster is from Brooklyn.... I think it was an insider comment about how people from Jamaica get treated in Brooklyn. I'm sorry if anyone thought I was making light of that.

But Bitflipper I like where you took the thought. Nice save.

best,
mike

And I thought it was just in reply to the OP's quote from Post #44:

IÂ´ll bubble, and IÂ´ll bubble loud untill police come to nock my door .

-Susan

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Sat, 26 May 2007 17:50:12 GMT

Power to the people..
this thread will never die!

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (mike_mccue)

Sat, 26 May 2007 17:32:06 GMT

Ah I see the poster is from Brooklyn.... I think it was an insider comment about how people from Jamaica get treated in Brooklyn. I'm sorry if anyone thought I was making light of that.

But Bitflipper I like where you took the thought. Nice save.

best,
mike

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (bitflipper)

Sat, 26 May 2007 12:13:19 GMT

"i just hope the cops dont knock down his door."

???????? because of Reggae? I don't get it.

best,
mike

Reggae is dangerous. Who knows what could happen if it caught on?

Studies have shown that reggae is a "gateway" genre, often leading to appreciation for even more insidious forms of happy pop music. First you put people in a good mood, then before you know it, nobody's depressed anymore and what happens to Goth Metal then?

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (mike_mccue)

Sat, 26 May 2007 09:05:33 GMT

"i just hope the cops dont knock down his door."

???????? because of Reggae? I don't get it.

best,
mike

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (krazylain)

Sat, 26 May 2007 04:54:43 GMT

I saw a blurb in Keyboard Magazine about a product called Propellerhead Raggaeton ReFill, which might be of interest. I don't know any more about it than the 1-paragraph description in the magazine. The photo shows three modules: "melody box", "riddim box" and "sound box" so I gather it's a sequencer and tone generator. It appears to be an addon for Reason.

Propellerhead Software

Reggaeton has more of a spanish influence with a mixture of hip-hop and dancehall (upbeat, dance-friendly reggae).
But i must admit that Reason has a wide range of sounds, out of the box, and includes effect to bubble untill he gets into trouble. i just hope the cops dont knock down his door.

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Fri, 25 May 2007 23:32:33 GMT

It appears to be an addon for Reason

A Refill is always for Reason..it's simply a set of sounds for it (could be bank with audio loops, wav files organized into instruments and synth presets)

Reason doesn't have any built-in chord rules or chart (simple chord symbols) to MIDI functions..so unlike the other programs I mentioned you can't "tell it the chords" and let it render a pattern for you using its sounds.

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (bitflipper)

Fri, 25 May 2007 16:47:56 GMT

I saw a blurb in Keyboard Magazine about a product called Propellerhead Raggaeton ReFill, which might be of interest. I don't know any more about it than the 1-paragraph description in the magazine. The photo shows three modules: "melody box", "riddim box" and "sound box" so I gather it's a sequencer and tone generator. It appears to be an addon for Reason.

Propellerhead Software

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (sweeneymini)

Wed, 23 May 2007 17:38:54 GMT

ORIGINAL: jamesg1213

If that's reggae I'm Jimi Hendrix

It isn't, so you're not!

That's 'True' by Spandau Ballet over a funkydrummer sample with some new vocals. Hideous.

Some bubbles would have been good though.....

OMG! I feel so so stupid for not realising that :0}

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Tue, 22 May 2007 17:41:31 GMT

Honest Al, you should be a sales person too, as today, I went to a music store and I ordered one Korg Triton TR-61. He offered me a deal that I couldnÂ´t leave....Dunno much about keyboards (or what ever it is, maybe itÂ´s called Synth, Sampler, Keyboard or Piano - sorry, but IÂ´m a guitarist), but IÂ´ll study how to play BUBBLES . IÂ´ll bubble, and IÂ´ll bubble loud untill police come to nock my door .

WOW Yeppe!...great news, good luck with the new keyboard! ROCK ON...err.. I mean Reggae on ;)

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Tue, 22 May 2007 17:35:43 GMT

one of their bigger hits named "Gold"..

LOL!! I meant "True" but I was thinking about Gold at the same time!

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Yeppe)

Tue, 22 May 2007 16:27:50 GMT

Ohhhhhhh, Yeeeeeeeeah! After I wrote enough many times about bubbles, people started to like them I should be a salesman

Honest Al, you should be a sales person too, as today, I went to a music store and I ordered one Korg Triton TR-61. He offered me a deal that I couldnÂ´t leave....Dunno much about keyboards (or what ever it is, maybe itÂ´s called Synth, Sampler, Keyboard or Piano - sorry, but IÂ´m a guitarist), but IÂ´ll study how to play BUBBLES . IÂ´ll bubble, and IÂ´ll bubble loud untill police come to nock my door .

Many thanks for your replies.

Regards, Yeppe

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (mike_mccue)

Tue, 22 May 2007 12:22:01 GMT

Thanks debro,
I'm bubbling now:

reggae_bubble.mp3 308kB

I was also thinking of the champange bubbles. Probably because I watch Lawrence Welk reruns most every Saturday evening. Sometimes I play along with my guitar.

mike

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Phrauge)

Tue, 22 May 2007 11:58:40 GMT

Bubbles? This is the guy you want for bubbles.

Turn offa da bubble machine. Wunerfull, wunerfull.

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (DeBro)

Tue, 22 May 2007 11:29:01 GMT

ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

So is someone gonna post some bubble in a midi format so the rest of us can get started on our remixes?

thanks,
mike

Here's a piano roll image showing two measures of the example that I gave on page one (Don't Worry - Organ 1):

The right hand plays the higher octave chord on beats 2 and 4, while the left hand plays the lower octave chord on the eights of each measure. Notice that all notes are not equal in lenght and do not fall precisely on the designated time lines. No human plays with that sort of precision. The pattern can be varied here and there to suit the flow of the song. The MIDI track can be used to drive any organ VSTi, even the organ patches in TTS-1 that comes with Sonar. If you're not a keyboard player, notes can be insreted one at a time and then use the various MIDI editing tools to humanize the pattern.

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (jamesg1213)

Tue, 22 May 2007 10:27:23 GMT

If that's reggae I'm Jimi Hendrix

It isn't, so you're not!

That's 'True' by Spandau Ballet over a funkydrummer sample with some new vocals. Hideous.

Some bubbles would have been good though.....

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (mike_mccue)

Tue, 22 May 2007 09:17:33 GMT

So is someone gonna post some bubble in a midi format so the rest of us can get started on our remixes?

thanks,
mike

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Tue, 22 May 2007 08:49:59 GMT

ORIGINAL: mwbrown

Reggae is and should always have a very strong melodic base line. Everything else should float over that.

strong..yeah pretty much..I would say that the basslines there are important but MELODY comes first place in most cases.
for example, can you imagine "regular people" (not musicians) singing or thinking about the bass of Bob Marley's "Is this love"? just hum the song for a few seconds..

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+marley/is+this+love_20021758.html

I'm pretty sure that like most other great tunes (didn't want to say "different styles of music"..who cares about styles) the melody is the most important..that's where it really shines for most of the listeners..and I do love grooves and good bass ..i'm not saying they don't have their share...

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (mwbrown)

Mon, 21 May 2007 21:21:47 GMT

Reggae is and should always have a very strong melodic base line. Everything else should float over that.

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Mon, 21 May 2007 21:15:58 GMT

If that's reggae I'm Jimi Hendrix

Ognis just "tested" me..

Two chords of a guitar located on or in between some beats somewhere in a single measure doesn't mean it's Reggae..every kid knows that

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (mwbrown)

Mon, 21 May 2007 21:08:49 GMT

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sy5AbMQZhq8
If that's reggae I'm Jimi Hendrix

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Mon, 21 May 2007 21:01:02 GMT

I ment not to play with the mouse in real time, just wanted to make a bubble clip

I know you didn't mean "realtime" playing but I tried to force you learning to play on a real keyboard I said it's not practical but of course many still use the Piano ROll view and such to enter notes one by one..figuring out what's the current note that is needed and mouse cursor position..time and pitch.. i see it as a waste of time compared to just playing the part.

I mentioned on page 1 the kind of softwares that create for you the actual MIDI events ("just like" playing) after you feed them the right rules - you choose a styles and then of course you need to insert the CHORD symbols..the software got to know which chords you want it to follow..the harmony of the song..chord progressions :)

Band in a Box...Jammer Pro .. not sure you'll like them (hint..hint..use Sonar and a keyboard..get better at the keyboard..oops i'm doing the same thing again..can't resist!)
Well, it's practical for some..maybe you'd like those kind of programs after all. There's some setting up to do there if you want to hear sounds from softsynths..like any sequencer the sound quality depends on what else you got there..and know how to use!

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Yeppe)

Mon, 21 May 2007 16:30:18 GMT

I ment not to play with the mouse in real time, just wanted to make a bubble clip to my own reggae song, which I could copy to my sequencer. I used a drum machine which I programmed to play reggae style, then I played myself a lead guitar and rhythm guitar too, but song lacks of keyboard (my damned bubbles), also it lacks Bass, but bubbles I want so much (IÂ´m a bubble man with this trouble ). Thanks.

KR: Yeppe

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Mon, 21 May 2007 11:24:50 GMT

Is MIDI keyboard needed to program this thing, or I can use mouse of my laptop to program my BUBBLES?

I have one thing to say about this.... PLAY! Those plugins won't help you getting the music you hear in your mind..they might provide you some sounds for the job but someone got to play them.

Keyboard Reggae parts (and the music itself) are pretty simple..even the BASS player often do more decisions of which note to play when ;) some nice basslines there. Keyboardists can be creative here and there but they're kind of stuck in a bubble most of the times

Yes, you'll need a keyboard for playing chords..harmony can't be played (realtime..practical) using a mouse. Anything you do with a mouse is slow and it's like data entry..(boring database input..no groove..just fields and fields..;)

Any program that offers playing the part for you might sound boring after a while (like auto-rhythms on portable keyboards) so consider learning some chords on a keyboard - think about it, less time to master the program to do what you want and more time spent on YOU playing the chords you want to hear, realtime variations...human feel.. the proud feeling of "it's my playing there"..etc.

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Yeppe)

Mon, 21 May 2007 06:14:28 GMT

Is this what could fix my problem: Korg Legacy Collection DIGITAL (Link: http://www.korg.co.uk/products/software_controllers/legacydigital/sc_legacy_digital.asp )?
Is MIDI keyboard needed to program this thing, or I can use mouse of my laptop to program my BUBBLES?

Thanks.

KR: Yeppe

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (DeBro)

Sat, 19 May 2007 13:33:05 GMT

Yes, it is sometimes called shuffle. Here is the reggae organ part played with both left and right hands. Organized Trio is the VSTi:
Don't Worry - Organ 1

Here's the same organ part in the context of a song:
Don't Worry

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Honest_Al)

Sat, 19 May 2007 11:35:42 GMT

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sy5AbMQZhq8

oh...THAT remixed 80's stuff..AND rap on top I heard it on the radio (I still listen to the radio..about 12 minutes and 14 seconds each year!)

brings me back to the 80's.. Spandau Ballet..one of their bigger hits named "Gold"..

of course it's so far from Reggae..the drums of the remix play one of the (boring by now..done too many times) most used grooves/loops..

the electric guitar chords from Gold - the 2 places on the beat remind me other music styles..(latin..bossa) ..but sure not Reggae!

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (subtlearts)

Sat, 19 May 2007 08:39:07 GMT

ORIGINAL: bitflipper
To quote Charles Babbage: "I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."

... that's a lovely quote, very cute, but actually the OP has an interesting question. A VSTi dedicated to this function - nice tasty reggae organ comping with programmable chord progression - would be kinda neat. I would have no use for it myself (professional keyboardist), but it's not an entirely silly idea at all.

It sounds like the kind of thing that the free VSTi community might spit out one of these days; there are a few hobbyist developers who like to do peculiar specialized things like that, ethnic instruments with authentic tuning, and so on. Browse around KVR for a while and look for stuff like that, get in contact, make the suggestion... who knows?

For straight-up organ sounds that seem OK for the price (free), try Organized Trio: http://www.soundfonts.it/

RE: Reggae Bubble??? (Yeppe)

Sat, 19 May 2007 03:37:13 GMT

This topic became suddenly very active ...
I read that usually reggae people use Korg M1 and Korg 01W/FD keyboards. There are 3 kinds of Organ rhythmic patterns which are called BUBBLE - or sometimes they call it shuffle.

Bubble 1: double 8th notes on 2nd and 4th beat. Usually played on left hand, but never played by both hands TOGETHER.

Bubble 2: Right hand plays 8th note on beats 2 and 4 - itÂ´s 2 times/bar. Left hand plays 8th note on all "Ands" - itÂ´s 4 times/bar.

Bubble 3: Commonly played by the left hand alone. 8th note on every up beats ("and") - itÂ´s 4 times/bar.

To get an authentic reggae bubble they edit Korg 01WÂ´s gospel organ. I know the values if some one needs them.

Regards, Yeppe

A bubble, a bubble
Looking for no trouble
But if you trouble, trouble
I'll give it to you triple (or likely more - up to my mood)
- Yeppe