Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (dappa1)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:56:37 GMT

Steve probably threw down his $0.50 camera down in disgust and broke it! Now he has to buy a new camera. So tell me Kalle, how is he now going to afford a decent DAW.

all dreams broken and shattered in one instance all lying in an heap!

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Kalle Rantaaho)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:24:25 GMT

Dappa,
actually my intention was not to be rude, but (at least to some extent) understanding or something like that. Perhaps a bit teacherlike " />

I (like obviously so many others) just couldn't believe my eyes, when I understood
the guy has been on the forum for years without never having used a DAW, and is leaving us in grief because other DAW applications are so much better.

And, as you surely noticed, I wrote this reply not being quite sure about your tone of voice" />

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (dappa1)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:31:25 GMT

Kalle, how you slam your fellow human being so lol

I aint messing with you. Steve must be crying now!

Immazevo. do work work all night on a project until it is completed. you sound as if you have a routine. And one that works too.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Kalle Rantaaho)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:20:08 GMT

I don't think this guy is actually a troll.
My instincts say this OP Steve is a very sad case. I guess he's using this one and other forums too just to make himself feel important. I don't think he'll ever start using DAWs, I doubt if he's a musician at all, perhaps a wannabe who owns some gear, but doesn't know how to use them. On some other forum he may be a pro newspaper cameraman, even though he only owns a 50 dollar pocket camera.

Such an inexpensive way to build a dreamlife for yourself. Working at the market place
as a kid I learned to know one version of this type: They gathered goods worth 500 bucks
explaining how quality concious etc. they are. Then they say:"So, keep these for me, I just go to the bank near by to get some cash!" And, of course, never seen again.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (michel1949)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:52:46 GMT

hi there folks

often we see idiots like this setve austin that thinks they know all

and the question should be

is cakewalk too weak for steve or is steve too weak for cakewalk hihihihi
lots of dummies in this world

michel1949

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (inmazevo)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:53:54 GMT

ORIGINAL: syrath
http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/3rd_grader_sends_letter_to_steve_jobs_and_apple_in_return_slams_her.php
Here's some news about the ever loving corporation that is apple.

Not surprising, unfortunately.
Cult of Mac, after all. They believe it as much as they hype it. " />

Strange policy, though. I've given lots of unsolicited suggestions to them, but they never got back to me. " />

Thanks for the link,
- zevo

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (syrath)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:45:21 GMT

Just a FYI,

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/3rd_grader_sends_letter_to_steve_jobs_and_apple_in_return_slams_her.php

Here's some news about the ever loving corporation that is apple.

Oh, and fwiw I agree with Jim, if you want to work with a DAW that is trouble free, then the best idea is to stick with XP. Ive not had any problems and quite enjoy working with my vista DAW, but not everyone else will.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (inmazevo)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:44:11 GMT

ORIGINAL: Anderton
As to Logic Studio, more power to 'em. Apple didn't ditch the product, they dropped the price, and there's no dongle. Sonar is now officially supported running under Boot Camp. It's all good.

Absolutely.
It's a very exciting time, for me at least.

Despite my periodic negativity toward LP8, and my tendency to assert that it's really just another DAW (usually when I read how GREAT some think it is over other things), I DO like the application. Having LP8, Ableton Live, Project5, and Sonar on ONE machine just makes me giggle.
Who could have imagined such a situation 3-4 years ago? I couldn't. " />

Just to clarify, the midi timing I personally was speaking about was Logic's tendency to drift when midi clock syncing external sequencers. The rest of the timing seems as normal as I can notice. Sonar, on the other hand, runs along just fine in this scenario.

I need to spend more time with LP8 regarding this, to get a more accurate feel for whether it's still an issue for me, but to be honest, I use Sonar for controlling my external gear now. I pretty much never use external sound sources with Logic Pro anymore.

In any event, I'm quite happy with my setup.
In fact, I've been working on a Logic Pro track all night... and apart from the occasional Core Audio Overload, and two crashes while using FM8 (which LP8 seems to dislike a tiny bit), it's been Cake. " />

Tomorrow night I'll be working a Sonar project.

It's really hard to imagine how anyone can view today's DAW situation as not good enough, but like I said, I didn't read this whole thread.

Take care,
- zevo

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Jim Roseberry)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:50:00 GMT

Some days I donâ€™t even open up Sonar because I am scared that I will end up spending the entire day fighting with crap when really all I want to do is make music.

Hi Christian,

Some simple advice that'll take you a long way:
If you want a trouble-free experience, use a setup that's known to be trouble-free. " />

Vista is problematic right now. Unless you work within a very limited scope of parameters, you will have problems.
This is well known...
Why continue to bang your head against the wall?

WinXP is rock-solid...
It's hear... it works great right now...
If you build/maintain your own system, model it after a trouble-free DAW.
If you don't have this knowledge/experience, there are folks that can help you get it done.

As Susan G mentioned, the Ultralite is actually a very good performer.
(It's actually one of the better performers under Vista.)

Take a logical step back... and address the underlying problem/s.
You'll then find that Sonar (and any other DAW) will work as expected.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (RockinRoll)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:00:24 GMT

Anderton,

Nice post!

RnR

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Anderton)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:54:38 GMT

I just couldn't resist throwing in an anecdote.

Back in the days of the Mac Plus and Master Tracks Pro, MTP used 240 pulse per quarter note timing, and another program (DP maybe?) used 480 pulses per quarter note. There was this one composer who would call up the tech support people at Passport Designs and constantly hassle them with how MTP was "sufficiently professional for my needs due to its inaccurate timing" and wondering when they were going to fix this problem. Eventually he went over to DP, and told the guys at Passport how lame they were, how much better the timing on Performer was, etc.

Only one problem: Back in those days, we're talking about CPUs that thought 25KHz was blazing fast. A friend of mine measured the jitter on a Mac Plus with respect to timing, and found a linear relationship between jitter and pulses per quarter note. Bottom line: because DP made the processor work harder, there was a twice as much jitter at 480 PPQ as there was at 240 PPQ, so bottom line was that due to computer limitations, BOTH PROGRAMS HAD EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIMING INACCURACY even though they used different PPQs.

But I'm sure the guy who felt MTP wasn't good enough for his "perfect" sense of timing never figured that out...it's sad how people have to boost their own sense of self-worth by ragging on things to show their supposed superiority.

As to Logic Studio, more power to 'em. Apple didn't ditch the product, they dropped the price, and there's no dongle. Sonar is now officially supported running under Boot Camp. It's all good.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (pwal)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:36:23 GMT

bye bye " />

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (7XL)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:35:36 GMT

ORIGINAL: vintagevibe

ORIGINAL: 7XL

Just stop it. If he doesn't like Sonar let him leave. I won't lose any sleep over it. Many of us don't give a rat's ass about what you use and/or your reasons for using it.

Use Logic, Pro |Tools, Cubase, Nuendo, Audition, N-Track or whatever, most of us don't care.

"You don't drink like I drink, you don't smoke like I smoke. I got a thing, you got a thing. Everybody's got a thing."

Now let this thread die.

That was really helpful. You make a great contribution to this forum.

And your comment serves what purpose?

Have you even read this thread? If so you would have seen the shear absurdity in it.

And I know I make a great contribution to this forum.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (inmazevo)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:48:09 GMT

ORIGINAL: syrath
One of the things that was mentioned in Logic 8s review in Sound on Sound was that the problem with the midi tick timing hadnt been sorted with version 8, dont you think they should have looked at that instead of revamping the interface, bundling content with it and hoisting it on the public while it still had problems. ;)

My experience with Logic is that they didn't fix MANY of the bugs that existed in LP7.
It's shocking... the midi timing stuff isn't fixed, track view to track inspector views can become unlinked, and then there's that &%$*#-ing Core Audio Overload issue that's particularly annoying. There are others, but those particularly get on my nerves... it's been almost 3 years for them.

In my opinion, ALL they did was revamp the UI, with a smattering of new features, and little else.
Unfortunately, many will view a new UI as a major application overhaul, and think the app's somehow all new. Logic Pro 8 IS Logic Pro 7 in almost every way.

Take care,
- zevo

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (darnbni99a)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:10:04 GMT

peace out!

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Lanceindastudio)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:26:51 GMT

Exactly Rain. Sonar is a rock

plugins and vst's cause problems sometimes in any machine. Whenever I have a problem, it is because of a plugin, and only ones that did not come with sonar. And even then, I hardly ever have a problem.

I must say current setup is the most stable computer I have ever had. Cheers to Sonar 7.01, Asus, Core 2 Duo, and echo, oh and patriot xtreme performance ram! lol

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Rain)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:40:19 GMT

A drummer walks into a music store, sees a Marshall Plexi, a 1968 Fender Strat, a Vox wah and a Univibe; he hooks it all up and then proceeds to wonder why he can't play Machine Gun just like Hendrix...

He swears he could do it on his playstation playing Guitar Hero... Everybody knows that Fender issued a few bad strats during the CBS years. Damn Fender!

FWIW, I had ONE bad session using Sonar throughout the last year - one that's "unexplainable"... The rest of the issues I've encountered could most likely be linked to a few particular VSTi's.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (vintagevibe)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:21:15 GMT

ORIGINAL: 7XL

Just stop it. If he doesn't like Sonar let him leave. I won't lose any sleep over it. Many of us don't give a rat's ass about what you use and/or your reasons for using it.

Use Logic, Pro |Tools, Cubase, Nuendo, Audition, N-Track or whatever, most of us don't care.

"You don't drink like I drink, you don't smoke like I smoke. I got a thing, you got a thing. Everybody's got a thing."

Now let this thread die.

That was really helpful. You make a great contribution to this forum.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (vintagevibe)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:20:12 GMT

Christian3D,

I've been there with earlier versions of Sonar and I truly feel your pain. Things work pretty well now. I hope you find a working combination but if it was me I would go back to WinXP for now.

RE: SONAR x 64 (CJaysMusic)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:35:00 GMT

Stop it. Stick to your 4 other pos about this problem you have and stop hijacking other post. Its rude
Cj

RE: SONAR x 64 (SteveJL)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:32:54 GMT

ORIGINAL: Art1820m

HI EVERYONE, I LOVE SONAR AND USE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION. BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM USING MY VST EFFECTS THAT ARE 32 bit ON (X 64 SONAR 7 PE) . BUT THERE IS A TECHNOLOGY CALLED (BIT-BRIDGE) HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I CAN USE ALL MY OTHER FX THAT DONT SUPPORT 64 BIT??? I TRIED SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWERE ON THE INTERNET AND FOUND NOTHING. IT ONLY TELLS ME THAT IT WORKS, BUT NOT HOW. ANY ANSWERES? THANK YOU

HOLY CRAP! HERE TOO? " />

1st http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1199811

2nd http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1199813

3rd http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1199809

SONAR x 64 (Art1820m)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:58:43 GMT

HI EVERYONE, I LOVE SONAR AND USE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION. BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM USING MY VST EFFECTS THAT ARE 32 bit ON (X 64 SONAR 7 PE) . BUT THERE IS A TECHNOLOGY CALLED (BIT-BRIDGE) HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I CAN USE ALL MY OTHER FX THAT DONT SUPPORT 64 BIT??? I TRIED SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWERE ON THE INTERNET AND FOUND NOTHING. IT ONLY TELLS ME THAT IT WORKS, BUT NOT HOW. ANY ANSWERES? THANK YOU

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Susan G)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:36:11 GMT

Hi Christian-

SPE 7.0.1, XP Pro SP2, MOTU Ultralite, BCR2000 here, and everything's working fine, ACT included. I know there are some Vista-specific drivers/settings, but IIRC it was Jim Roseberry who suggested using WDM drivers for Vista with the Ultralite for now.

EDIT: Or maybe he said MOTU was one of the few who do have good ASIO drivers for Vista at this point. I can't remember now, sorry, but you can search his posts if he doesn't respond here.

-Susan

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (jinga8)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:34:25 GMT

Some days I donâ€™t even open up Sonar because I am scared that I will end up spending the entire day fighting with crap when really all I want to do is make music. Imagine if you were a painter and every time you felt inspired to paint you would have to fear that your canvas might melt or that your brush might disintegrate or your yellow paint might come out red. This how I feel every time I upgrade, buy new hardware or even open up Sonar. I often contemplate starting over with a mac, I would even be content with half the problems that I face now.

Wow. I really wish you luck in sorting out your issues. No one should have to think like that about something that brings them so much happiness when it works right.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (7XL)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:29:35 GMT

Just stop it. If he doesn't like Sonar let him leave. I won't lose any sleep over it. Many of us don't give a rat's ass about what you use and/or your reasons for using it.

Use Logic, Pro |Tools, Cubase, Nuendo, Audition, N-Track or whatever, most of us don't care.

"You don't drink like I drink, you don't smoke like I smoke. I got a thing, you got a thing. Everybody's got a thing."

Now let this thread die.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (keith)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:29:29 GMT

ORIGINAL: Christian3D
In Steve's defense,,,,

Steve's either getting paid for his comments, or he's trolling. Either way, he doesn't need to be defended. Everything that is wrong with Vista as a DAW platform, and any serious issues with SONAR itself can be found in a variety of threads on this forum. Steve's posts are nothing more than a shameless plug for Logic on a Mac. Nothing wrong with saying you prefer one app or platform over another -- just don't make it soooo obvious that you're entirely biased, as Steve does.

I have been a die hard windows and sonar user for many years now, that being said Steve is not entirely wrong. I have been on a Vista machine for almost a year now and for every one thing that I like about it, there are ten things to complain about.

Everyone knows that Vista is not the state of the art for DAWs these days. At least everyone that frequents this forum. That may change, or maybe it won't. In any case, XP is the only way to go today for stability and driver support (unless you're lucky to have your particular hardware vendors on the leading edge of Vista support). Some may argue against my assertion, but I know at least as many other will agree. Steve isn't telling anybody they don't already know in that regard.

Then there is Sonar. I am sure most of my problems are user error, or lack of knowledge but Damm it if I have not tried and tried to get information on several really show stopping issues. First off I spent the big bucks and got a Motu Ultralite,,, can you say frustrating,,,, Between Sonar and the Motu randomly changing my output settings, or Sonar not displaying some of my options.... or having to completely reboot the machine to change my sampling rate...

There are many people on this forum that can help... almost everyone on this forum uses some version of SONAR, and many use Motu hardware including the Ultralite. It shouldn't be too difficult to engage those Motu users with your particular problems.

I searched for posts by you to see if your requests for help went ignored... I found two threads started by you regarding your Motu troubles:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=936905&mpage=1&key=󤯉
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=958375&mpage=1&key=󩾧

In both cases, questions on hardware/software setup were asked directly of you, and you didn't respond -- you started a threads to discuss your problems, but you didn't actually engage anyone in the discussion!!!

Other than that I saw two ACT related threads that appear to have no responses.

If you want to solve your problems with the Motu, then you can't just throw your problem out there and hope that somebody posts the right answer. ...

Either go back to one of those old threads and provide the requested info, or start a new thread asking for "Help with Motu Ultralite", etc. And keep bumping it until somebody responds. I'd be very surprised if some Motu users out there can't walk you through a solution, or at least confirm the problems you're seeing.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (Christian3D)

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:02:43 GMT

In Steve's defense,,,,

I have been a die hard windows and sonar user for many years now, that being said Steve is not entirely wrong. I have been on a Vista machine for almost a year now and for every one thing that I like about it, there are ten things to complain about.

Then there is Sonar. I am sure most of my problems are user error, or lack of knowledge but Damm it if I have not tried and tried to get information on several really show stopping issues. First off I spent the big bucks and got a Motu Ultralite,,, can you say frustrating,,,, Between Sonar and the Motu randomly changing my output settings, or Sonar not displaying some of my options.... or having to completely reboot the machine to change my sampling rate... and no way (that I have found) for Sonar to change sampling rates from 48 - 44. Donâ€™t even get me started about drivers, one plugin works with one type, one piece of hardware works with another, etc. Then there is ACT. I see these guys do these nice demonstrations where you just hook up your new keyboard and click the ACT button and everything works,,,, yeah right. I upgraded my $3,500 ensonique for a new M-Audio axiom so that I could do something simple like kick start my songs or my sequencing from the keyboard.... I am ready to pull out my freaken hair trying to figure out how to get this crap to work.... and all I see is endless forums on how this stuff doesn't really work. I have posted several times and not a single response.

I am not saying Steve's pipe dream of no problems would exist with Logic and a mac... but it would be nice to have a solid operating system, it would be nice if the high end hardware I purchased works with my daw the way that it should, and it would be nice if I could take advantage of the great features and actually make music rather than spend most of my time fighting with the stupid hardware and software. And it would be nice if there was better support from Cakewalk, either in the way of return responses in the forumâ€™s or better documentation.

Some days I donâ€™t even open up Sonar because I am scared that I will end up spending the entire day fighting with crap when really all I want to do is make music. Imagine if you were a painter and every time you felt inspired to paint you would have to fear that your canvas might melt or that your brush might disintegrate or your yellow paint might come out red. This how I feel every time I upgrade, buy new hardware or even open up Sonar. I often contemplate starting over with a mac, I would even be content with half the problems that I face now. As it is,,, Sonar is the only app that I use that is not avialable on a Mac now.

Just an opinion!

~ C

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (koikane)

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:41:23 GMT

You must be trolling for laughs yes? You read the forum and decide how good Sonar is by inspection? Sounds like you don't know squat about PCs either.

Then you claim Logic is 99% stable? You measured this with what?

Actually wrestlers make just about enough money to afford both Sonar and Logic. I wrestled my way up to a desktop and a labtop before I quit. Wow, 99% glitch free, 1% below Sonar.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (koikane)

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:38:42 GMT

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Those Wrestlers are Testy. Bye for now, wrestle you later.

RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye (farrarbc)

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:16:29 GMT

ORIGINAL: stratcat33511

Well if Steve Austin, a man barely alive, but we can rebuild him, is leaving,
then I'm leaving too!
" />
We could've made him better than he was....
better....
stronger ....
faster ........

" />

LOL - But could we have made him smarter is the question!!!!