also,..the drum grid....

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Beagle)

Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:01:06 GMT

that is interesting, evan. technically, the track that I posted a view of was actually a drum track with 3 softsynth outputs. One output went to SD2, another went to TTS-1 and a 3rd went to Adictive Drums demo. maybe because of the other program outputs is why it works, I don't know. I'll experiment with SD2 solely and see what happens.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Zane)

Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:53:35 GMT

Oh, cool! I hadn't noticed that before. But I was kinda thinking along the same lines as you, Evan, in that maybe you could view percentages as well... Yeah, I'm probably asking too much...

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:11:31 GMT

there is a tempo envelope,...if you click on view/tempo, it shows a tempo line...that you can drag....kinda...not very easy to control though...
what I would like to see is a tempo map that you can freeze,..then change the tempo globally for your whole song and the tempo changes you have painstakingly created change relative to the overall tempo...does that make sense?..so for instance,...if you had a song that went from 100 bpm and there was a change to 50 bpm and back to 100,...if you changed the overall tempo to half that,...it would go 50,..change to 25 and back...etc....maybe it has that...but I don't think so...

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Zane)

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:02:18 GMT

Speaking of tempo... I was thinking the other day that it'd be cool if there was a tempo envelope, maybe up in the navigator pane. Just an idea.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:48:06 GMT

So,...beagle, for the record,...I called cakewalk tech support and held for over half an hour...to find out that no,..you can't use the drum show durations button in session drummer...but you say you were in session drummer when you took that screen shot...it's weird....I never got that button to work in session drummer,..but had partial success in cakewalk tts,..and 100% success when using the drum map for gm drums....the program seems to intermittently not allow that button to work for whatever reason...to me,..that's a defect..I reported it via email tech support...(I've mailed them 3 times over the past month or so and gotten not word 1 back grrr).the guy I talked to said he'd add a note that they should add that feature in session drummer,..but...I'm skeptical as to whether that's gonna happen or not...
just figgered I'd give you the heads up...
on the positive side,..I somehow stumbled onto how to use the drum map to play the session drummer sounds...and I have the non duration bearing notes to use,..so it's been good..I saved a track with all the goodys in it for midi drum creation.....it just sucks,..cuz I have to figure out how I did it, so I can do it again. I just ordered a new puter and have to start from scratch..tho maybe I can cakewalk bundle the files so they'll be setup the same?....(crossing myself)...I hope someday they retool the midi drums section a bit....add functionality for choked cymbals,....more features as far as tempo control (so you can change the tempo of the entire piece while keeping the tempo changes the same, for example)...and so forth...for some of us,..this is the only way we get the drums in our head into our songs in our band..!!...I can't stand loops....
peace out..!!

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:37:31 GMT

very weird....I appreciate the help!!...they should be paying you if they aren't...!!

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Beagle)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:08:27 GMT

yes, session drummer 2 is the softsynth for that particular drum track.

no, I don't work for cakewalk.

sorry - the only way I know of now to help you would be to contact cakewalk tech support. I think we've tried all we know. good luck.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:38:17 GMT

thanx mgh...thanks beagle,...for the screen shot!! ...I appreciate it...,...but when I hit that button it doesn't change it!!!...I swear....tried that...just went back and tried it again for good measure...have you tried that with session drummer as the soft synth?...for some reason it's not allowing it..I don't know if it's something I'm doing (not sure how or why???)or if its a real problem that should be addressed...if you work for cakewalk maybe you could make someone aware of it...really frustrating....I think I have to make a new drum map from scratch for it to work......I'll keep fiddlin away with it....

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Beagle)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:04:51 GMT

evand67, I think I just figured out what your problem is:

in the PRV with the drum grid showing, click on the "show durations" icon:

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (mgh)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:34:28 GMT

the regular piano notes relate to a drum sound, so C1 is kick, E1 snare etc...you can program sd2 from the PRV no problem. just the drum map gives you more options for inputting.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:27:32 GMT

well,..thanx guys,..but I'm just not getting it....I'm still holding some hope that it will do what I'm trying to do....which is : to get the notes displayed as drum notes in prv while using session drummer....it doesn't even make sense...!!....why wouldn't I want drum notes displayed while using session drummer?..Why would I want the regular prv notes,...as in for a piano or something??...are regular pitched notes even available in session drummer?...I haven't even checked......starting to think it was a programming screw up or something....

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Beagle)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:51:28 GMT

mcourter is reading from scott's book simply telling you how to select the track you're wanting to work on in the PRV - it's the same for any track - this is not really specific to the drum grid and doesn't change the way the drum grid looks in the PRV.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:19:11 GMT

mcourter.....WHERE to the right of the piano roll?...I've looked all around....can't find any button or anything that says "drum grid pane "anywhere...help...this is bugging the **** outta me....anyone????

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (mgh)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:03:17 GMT

if you order it. amazon have it.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (dappa1)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:53:05 GMT

this book sounds good can I get it at waterstones?

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (mcourter)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:02:33 GMT

This is what I read last night in Scott's book: to view the Drum Grid Pane, go to the right of the Piano Roll and find the Track Pane, click on the desired track you wish to view. I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet, but the instructions seem clear.
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RE: also,..the drum grid.... (mgh)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:22:06 GMT

when you persuade the missus you need to spend more dough/have more dough/win the lotto the answer is sonar 7 with its shiny new step sequencer, i use that to program drums all the time now and it's AMAZING, very fast and you can program some cool beats easily....

oh and btw i just checked and my drum map works exactly as described above, and there IS a preset drummap for session drummer 2 in s7, is it not there in shs6?

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:23:18 GMT

OK...finally got it to a state that is quasi functional....I have the diamonds and can hear the kit simultaneously....I won't even go into the hell that got me here....with drum map manager...could it be more f'ed up?.....so...yay!!...now I just need to figure out drum map mgr so I can have a map that coincides with sd2 a little better....includes all the drums....but not every gm drum known to man..(you know...how they have "skin flute" and "yapping chihuahua" drum notes...just to fill up the 128 notes?...)....I just want a kit with the basics,..a couple crashes, a few toms...etc....I'm down to one crash at this point...
I know it's a powerful program,...but it needs a simple drum mode...for us non-propellerheads that don't want to geek out on the puter for hours at a time...just crave to create music.....maybe for sonar hs 7...sigh...

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:48:07 GMT

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RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:44:44 GMT

ok...I think the secret is in the drum map manager....have to set all of the outputs to sd2-2 (sd2-1 has no sound for some unknown)...and I finally have sound and triangles....(tho now I'm not even sure I'm hearing the right drums..I selected basic drum kit for the drum map mgr....now my midi file isn't lined up....when I drag it,..its all ****ed up.....)
still haven't really figured it out ..but getting closer I guess...wondering why sd2 doesn't automatically do that ....or at least have a preset for session drummer 2...so you don't have to go in and individually change every drum over...what a pain....the drum manager needs an overhaul in my opinion...very counter intuitive...

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:31:05 GMT

when I try options, drum map manager,...then ctrl+shift double click in the output dialog box..,...it doesn't do anything...what the hell????...frustration mounting....don't have all my life to figure out how to program the drums...maybe I need to go back to drum machines??....

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:27:17 GMT

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RE: also,..the drum grid.... (garrigus)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:18:27 GMT

ORIGINAL: mgh

ok insert a midi track, choose drum map, THEN - just go to insert>softsynth and click on sd2, ensure the midi source is unchecked, choose first synth audio output. click ok. then go to option>drum map manager. hold down CTRL+SHIFT, doubl-click on the Out Port parameter in the middle bit of the dialogue box and choose Session Drummer 2, then close the drum map manager.

This is taken from SOnar 6 Power! by Scott Garrigus, well worth getting, so try that!

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RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:02:18 GMT

thanx...!!!

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (mgh)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:39:52 GMT

ok insert a midi track, choose drum map, THEN - just go to insert>softsynth and click on sd2, ensure the midi source is unchecked, choose first synth audio output. click ok. then go to option>drum map manager. hold down CTRL+SHIFT, doubl-click on the Out Port parameter in the middle bit of the dialogue box and choose Session Drummer 2, then close the drum map manager.

This is taken from SOnar 6 Power! by Scott Garrigus, well worth getting, so try that!

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:57:12 GMT

hmmm...maybe my sonar 6 is possessed and wishes me pain...
but I'd bet that I'm to blame somehow...overlooking something...I'm not perfect....
I appreciate your help...I really do...
My chain of work goes...open file...go to midi track 1 or 2 doesn't matter which....click on that...click the insert drop down menu- click insert soft synth-click sd2... and I'm in...
Now I click on the midi output to select the sd2 as the outputs for the midi track....on the O icon in the lower part of the track mini console (left side in track view)..is that what you mean when you say..."whenever I use the SD2 thru a drum map and select my MIDI output as the drum map, it uses the triangle drum symbols"...???....am I missing a step,...or are we kosher?...I'm kinda thrown by the way it's worded...makes me think I'm skipping a step or going at it differently....but maybe not...maybe that's the only way to do it...
sorry if I'm a pain....it may be I've exausted all options or done something horribly stupid...quite possible....but it seems there should be an easy solution...
thanx for the help so far....some of the stuff I know I have to find out on my own....I'm trying..!!...just don't want to have to take forever to figger it out if it's just right there....ya know?....gets frustrating....I'm wishing they had some better type of online manual...I mean,...the forum is great, but I wish for more sometimes...but,...maybe thats just the nature of the software....
Muchos gracias senior beagle...p.s. do you work for cakewalk?...are you at liberty to tell?..just curious....

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Beagle)

Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:23:05 GMT

i'm sorry, evan, but I don't know. whenever I use the SD2 thru a drum map and select my MIDI output as the drum map, it uses the triangle drum symbols.

maybe post a picture and see if there's something you're missing, but I can't think of anything else.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:42:08 GMT

well,..that seems not to be the case....when I select SD2 in my midi outputs,..it changes to the rectangle shapes of normal piano roll...when I click drum map and choose gm drums, its the way it should be,..with the triangles....is it doing something it's not supposed to?

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (Beagle)

Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:59:20 GMT

after inserting the SD2, just make sure that the output of your MIDI track is set to the drum map and then open the drum map manager and make sure that all of the notes are set to the SD2.

RE: also,..the drum grid.... (evand67)

Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:39:34 GMT

p.s. when I changed it, it was of course not using session drummer at that point...does that mean you have to continuously switch back and forth if you want to listen as you edit?..Each time I solve one problem I'm right on to the next...sigh...