Anybody Like The Beatles Sound?

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (quantumeffect)

Thu, 27 May 2010 22:57:43 GMT

There are a number of videos on youtube focusing on the inside of Abbey Road. For example, here is "Native Instruments' Abbey Road 60s Drums" session. Worth watching if you want to get an idea of how those glorious tones werer captured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4JLz316ALw

So, if you think people are obsessed about The Beatle's sound, you under-estimate. Here are some technical articles by a Canadian mathematician who used a Fourier Transform to dissect the opening chord of A Hard Day’s Night: http://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~brown/n-oct04-harddayjib.pdf

And also to show (again using a Fourier Transform) that the George Harrison guitar solo in A Hard Day's Night was actually recorded at half speed:
http://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~brown/AHDNSoloJIB.pdf

Me

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Philip)

Thu, 27 May 2010 22:05:05 GMT

Ah the EQWL Fab four I bought.

I barely use it at all!

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Malibu1328)

Thu, 27 May 2010 18:23:25 GMT

Wow - speaking of the Beatles sounds.

What I have read above - I have come to the conclusion thta it's better not to have an opinion.

That's my opinion.

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (papa2005)

Thu, 27 May 2010 10:56:57 GMT

strikinglyhandsome1

Does anyone know why the forum produced a strange page and then made it into a double post?

I don't think anyone knows why the forum does anything it does..." />

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (strikinglyhandsome1)

Thu, 27 May 2010 10:51:43 GMT

Does anyone know why the forum produced a strange page and then made it into a double post?

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (strikinglyhandsome1)

Thu, 27 May 2010 10:51:21 GMT

Does anyone know if Drive My Car is one of the presets.

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (lfm)

Thu, 27 May 2010 10:26:18 GMT

They Abbey Road album is pretty cool sounding.

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Supercomposer)

Thu, 27 May 2010 10:01:10 GMT

Hello, yes I like the beatles sound, why do you ask me?

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Ham N Egz)

Thu, 27 May 2010 08:19:56 GMT

rkl122

I'm interested in this library, but I've gs directly into a USB port, right? Does it work ok in an unpowered USB hub? Once you have one, it's good for other products with similar protection schemes, right? How does the "software key" for a particular product get into the dongle - during routine installation? Does the copy protection scheme associated with the dongle write anything to the hard drive? If so, are such records removable upon uninstallation of the software? Am I asking goofy questions...? " />

P Google brings up a bunch of stuff, but I haven't yet found the nitty gritty. Thanks for any help,

Ron

EW, at least for fab four is a little different than other ILOK authorizations. You first have to have or create an EW users account, and ALSO have purchased your ILOK, , download the ILOK software(from the ILOK site) create an ILOK users account .

The EW install routine includes an authorization where you type in your ILOK user name and it does it behind the scenes, you then go to your ILOK account and transfer the license to your hardware key

It seems if you have the latest ILOK client software downloaded all is good. I've had 2 keys running for years with no issues.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Dream Logic Audio)

Wed, 26 May 2010 23:49:16 GMT

Concerning the iLok:

In principal, I originally didn't care much for the idea of a hardware dongle.

In practicality, I didn't have much choice if I wanted to use some of the tools I wanted to use.

In practice, I've been using one for about 5 years now and have never had a problem with it.

Your mileage may vary, but I've grown to like it's portability.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (rkl122)

Wed, 26 May 2010 23:28:30 GMT

Thanks Keith & Musicman for the helpful comments.

-Ron

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Ham N Egz)

Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:31 GMT

RE ILOK
it may have issues with an unpowered hub , I DO use a hub with 2 ioks and a syncrosoft key but the hubs are powered

you CAN buy insurance from ILOK that basically backs up your licenses called Zer Down Time http://www.ilok.com/ilok-zero-downtime.html

If you use an ILOK with a laptop use an extender cable otherwise you risk damaging your ilok and losing the license keys !!!

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (KeithS)

Wed, 26 May 2010 11:44:54 GMT

rkl122

When you buy a hardware key product, does the dongle come with it or does one need to order it separately? If separate, how do you get it? It plugs directly into a USB port, right? Does it work ok in an unpowered USB hub? Once you have one, it's good for other products with similar protection schemes, right? How does the "software key" for a particular product get into the dongle - during routine installation? Does the copy protection scheme associated with the dongle write anything to the hard drive? If so, are such records removable upon uninstallation of the software? Am I asking goofy questions...? " />

For this particular library, the key does NOT come with the software, but must be purchased seperately. If you google "iLok" you will find a number of places to purchase the keys. It does plug into a USB port. I never tried it with a hub but it should work in one and the advertising indicates that it does. The key in this case is activated via an internet site. The iLok can be used for any product that uses the iLok PACE protection scheme although I think there is an upper limit of 100 products per key. The PACE protection scheme is installed into the Kernel driver level and is not always removed with uninstall. It is this installation that will sometimes cause a computer to misbehave. When you run the software it is looking for authorization from the dongle key. This means that the software can be installed on any number of computers but will only run on the one that has the dongle in place.

One major criticism of the iLok is that if it is damaged, lost or stolen, you could lose many thousands of dollars in software as most software companies are unwilling to relicense to a new key without a new purchase of the software. The little sweeties at iLok will sell you ZDT (zero down time) insurance for about 30 bucks a year and as long as you plop down the money for another iLok key to hold in reserve you are good to go if your key gets lost, stolen or destroyed. Without paying for the ZDT option you are otherwise out of luck and the cost of your software as the iLok folks won't transfer your licenses to a new key.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Frostysnake)

Wed, 26 May 2010 11:34:38 GMT

edentowers

ORIGINAL: mgh

Anybody Like The Beatles

sorry, who? " />

i'm waiting for The Rutles refill meself...

Ah, Dirk,Stig, Nasty and Barry. What a band!

More info for our colonial cousins here... http://www.rutles.org/rmain.html

I hate the Beatles...so no, I don't like their sound. Now the Rutles...well, lets just say...I have had tea...I wont lie...lots of tea.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (rkl122)

Wed, 26 May 2010 11:08:23 GMT

I'm interested in this library, but I've never before used a hardware key. I know some people hate them, and some have claimed they can actually screw up a system. I hope a few novice questions are permitted: When you buy a hardware key product, does the dongle come with it or does one need to order it separately? If separate, how do you get it? It plugs directly into a USB port, right? Does it work ok in an unpowered USB hub? Once you have one, it's good for other products with similar protection schemes, right? How does the "software key" for a particular product get into the dongle - during routine installation? Does the copy protection scheme associated with the dongle write anything to the hard drive? If so, are such records removable upon uninstallation of the software? Am I asking goofy questions...? " />

Perhaps thee are answers in a link someone could point me to? Google brings up a bunch of stuff, but I haven't yet found the nitty gritty. Thanks for any help,

Ron

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Cosmic Bob)

Wed, 26 May 2010 10:52:37 GMT

I finally ordered mine from sweetwater, too. The sales rep I spoke to actually has and uses it, and said it works just fine. He has a pc running Vista 64-bit and had no issues with Play.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Garry Stubbs)

Wed, 26 May 2010 08:11:13 GMT

Thanks for the info, Strikey

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (strikinglyhandsome1)

Wed, 26 May 2010 06:00:32 GMT

The Kiosk Project

Yes thanks DLA. So.... If I buy East West Fab Four then, it will be supplied with the Play 2 engine, is that correct ?

It may not be as it's a very new update but you can update what you receive.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Garry Stubbs)

Wed, 26 May 2010 05:56:08 GMT

Yes thanks DLA. So.... If I buy East West Fab Four then, it will be supplied with the Play 2 engine, is that correct ?

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (strikinglyhandsome1)

Wed, 26 May 2010 05:48:07 GMT

Thanks for the input, DLA.
That sounds positive.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Dream Logic Audio)

Tue, 25 May 2010 22:43:23 GMT

Since they've updated Play to Play 2, the EWQL libraries have been running great in Sonar 8.5 for me, in both the x32 and x64 versions.

I don't own FabFour (yet), but I do own a number of their other libraries. Before Play 2, Fast Bounces and Freezes were not reliable in Sonar. Many times you would get dropped notes and were forced to do real-time bounces, which were not always successful either.

Now, with the new Play 2 engine, Fast Bounces and Freezes work like a charm. (i.e. I haven't had one fail yet.) This is a huge boost in my workflow. I always found the quality of their virtual instruments worth the extra effort to make it work, but now that it's fixed, it's a joy to work with.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Ham N Egz)

Tue, 25 May 2010 19:36:52 GMT

back on track I purchased the fab four from audiomidi for 197 and downloaded the latest play engine and insert it first..

I did freeze its instance and it works swimmingly on a core 2 duo with 4 gig and xp pro 32 BIT .. it loads quickly versus Sampletank (forever to load) and some NI stuff (almost as bad as ST)

I initally purchased the Fab Four as an alternative to NI abbey road 60 drums.. OK not a fair comparison, layers et all, but Im grooving on the 60s bass guitar (with the IK SVT ampeg B15 plug) and the Fab four guitars which in certain circumstances g\fit quite nice

I have NOT had a crash with Fab Four but have with other VSTIs who will remain nameless

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (VariousArtist)

Tue, 25 May 2010 18:51:29 GMT

Marah Mag:

<snip>At first I thought I'd try to find some good string samples. I think I might've briefly tried the Garritan stuff that came with Dimension LE, just because I had it. But I realized that I wasn't really looking for a "good string sound." What I wanted was not "strings" so much as something that evoked strings, or that said "strings," ...

...I ended up inserting the TTS-1 and using a patch (under Preset, Ensemble) called 60's Strings, I played the parts with the right articulation, adding octaves and harmony as needed, and processing it so that it sounded bad enough to sound good in the mix and function as I wanted. Totally fake. When it goes by, I think it sounds about right and does what I want. </snip>

I think you hit the money on the head (pardon the mixed metaphor). Many times I find the better sampled stuff is less than optimal and find myself returning to something that's not so realistic sounding because it just sounds right. But I think you put it best when you said (paraphrasing) that it's about getting something to "evoke" the instrument rather than be exactly like instrument itself.

Nice writeup on the sound of The Beatles by the way.

My family "Abbey Road" shot
(a few miles from where I grew up)

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (vintagevibe)

Tue, 25 May 2010 17:38:25 GMT

Soundsonline is having a 50% off sale. I thinks it's over after this week

Re: RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Garry Stubbs)

Tue, 25 May 2010 14:46:58 GMT

From reading this thread, I have done some searching and found that Digital Village are currently selling the Fab Four VST in the UK at £140, which is an incredible price, I am suddenly very tempted but have read also in the thread that there are concerns about the Play engine, can anyone expand a little as to what these concerns may be?

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Cosmic Bob)

Tue, 25 May 2010 13:45:04 GMT

$197.50 is the 50% discount that a few are doing.

I think I'm sold. Even if I don't use it often, it looks like a great toy.

...Sounds like the most common concern for using Play 2 is the need for a ton of memory, but that it does more or less work.

Incidentally, I asked the East-West Forum users for a similar recommendation on my concern about the Play engine, but my question didn't make it past the"moderator!" Surprising.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (Cosmic Bob)

Tue, 25 May 2010 13:36:16 GMT

papa2005

Cosmic Bob,

Is material from the two groups you mentioned available on CD or for download?

Hi Papa:

Both groups are available commercially both ways. Both seem to emulate the earlier Beatles sound. The Sponge Tones' record "Beat and Torn," sounds like a lost record from 1964. Worth a listen if you see it!

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (KeithS)

Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:06 GMT

strikinglyhandsome1

$197.50 is the 50% discount that a few are doing.

Seemed like a good deal. I don't think I would have laid out $400 for it but I couldn't pass up $197.50.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (strikinglyhandsome1)

Tue, 25 May 2010 13:16:20 GMT

$197.50 is the 50% discount that a few are doing.

RE: Anybody Like The Beatles Sound? (KeithS)

Tue, 25 May 2010 13:00:46 GMT

Susan G

FloridaMusicCo has it for $355.00. That's the lowest I've seen. I'm watching the 3rd video now. Talk about memories (and yes, I'm old enough!" />)

I hate the idea of a dongle too but since I already have to put up with the stupid iLok for my waves plugins I guess the Beatles sound is worth trying out. I just purchased it from Sweetwater for $197.50. That's the best price I've seen anywhere, even with the academic discounts. I had to look at it several times to make sure that there wasn't some gotcha that I was missing.
EDIT: I just got a call from Sweetwater because the sales rep wanted to make sure that I understood that the software required an iLok to operate. I mentioned how ridiculously low the price was compared to everywhere else and he said it is a special promotion price that is good only through May 31.