Editing an audio track

RE: Editing an audio track (57Gregy)

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:20:05 GMT

Hi, Maribeth. Welcome to the forum.
Yes, you can cut out mistakes and re-record in that space.
You can use the split tool (looks like a little pair of scissors) to cut the clip just before the error and just after the error. You may have to adjust the snap-to resolution so you can split somewhere inside a measure. Turn the split tool off, then right-click on the offending part and select 'Edit>Delete'.
Then you set up Punch-in Recording so that the recording starts at the point just before the now-empty space and stops recording when you reach the end of the space.
If you would, please, start a seperate post with your questions by clicking "New Post" at the top.
This thread is old.

RE: Editing an audio track (myoderwhite)

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:57:14 GMT

I have just started using Music Creator 5 today and am VERY ignorant about its capabilities. If you have time to help me with my problem, I would be most grateful. I am making an audio recording. How do I get rid of sections where I make mistakes and re-record an accurate version? Right now, I'm just starting over at the beginning and hoping for the best, but I know there is a way to cut out errors and re-record accurately. I am grateful for your guidance!

RE: Editing an audio track (JD1813)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:29:09 GMT

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:22:58 GMT

GREAT! I knew there would be options in the menu that I have which you don't, but I was also sure that it had to have PROCESS FX menus for the clip as well.

RE: Editing an audio track (JD1813)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:07:17 GMT

RE: Editing an audio track (JD1813)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:04:26 GMT

OK Beagle, I am trying to post what I see in the first menu - but the bottom line is, now I see what you
were directing me to - the 3 little gray arrows at the bottom of that first menu! Yes, having found that,
when I click on that then I do get the menu option to add effects to the CLIP. Yes! This is a big first
- first time I've seen that menu option appear! " />

I hope I got this right - my image from my photobucket link:

RE: Editing an audio track (JD1813)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:44:17 GMT

Beagle I'll see if I can grab a couple shots of what menus I get when I do exactly the steps you say. I always have trouble posting images on here but I'll give it a shot. It is not the same menus you get in Sonar 6 - you have a lot, lot more options than what I see in MC4. I'll post again shortly with clips, I hope. " />

RE: Editing an audio track (57Gregy)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:32:32 GMT

In MC Pro 24, there are no arrows like Beagle mentioned, but it works the same. Go down to Audio on the right-click menu to view the effects avalable for the clip.
In SONAR HS 6 it's like he wrote: follow the arrows. I imagine MC 4, being the latest version of MC, would hide them under the arrows.

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:14:02 GMT

robert's method of using buses is a better way to do this so that you don't destructively use the FX.

but I'm still wondering if you're not just missing those menu options - I have trouble believing that cake took those menu options out.

when you right click on the clip, that first menu should appear. at the very bottom of that menu is 3 little very light grey arrows >>> if you put your mouse cursor over those arrows, the 2nd menu should appear. are you doing that?

RE: Editing an audio track (57Gregy)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:57:33 GMT

Don't right-click the clip to get the apply effects options. Left-click the clip to select it, then go to the top and click 'Process>Apply Effects>Audio' >select the effect you want to apply. This will permanently apply the effect to the clip, so make sure you like the effect before saving/closing the project.

RE: Editing an audio track (JD1813)

Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:45:43 GMT

Beage I see what you're saying but in MC4 I do not get that drop-down menu with Clip options. Can anyone else verify with MC4? I see plainly that you get options in Sonar 6 that I'm not seeing in MC4. However, the points and methods are all valid and I still feel confident in knowing HOW I'm going about clip editing. I like RobertB's recommendations about using busses for the adjustments. This is all good.... " />

RE: Editing an audio track (57Gregy)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:37:00 GMT

the track must have an effect in it

See what happens when I comment on something I've never done? (to a clip) " />

I should have tried it first. Glad you did, Reece. " />

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:53:46 GMT

I agree with Robert - but I just wanted to point out to JD and anyone who was trying the process for clips:

and

note: doing the above does NOT process the whole track as long as you only have the clip highlighted. if the track is highlighted, then yes, it will process the whole track.

RE: Editing an audio track (RobertB)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:42:24 GMT

John,
This is a good use for busses.
Fades and crossfades are, by nature limited to a specific timeframe, and have a finite duration, so they can be easily limited to a specific clip, or selection. gain isn't really an effect, but you can use it to change the volume of a selection relative to the rest of the track. On a side note, gain can have unexpected results if you have effects such as compressors in the FX bin. This is because gain adjusts the level on the input side of processing. Volume adjusts the output.
Anyhow, back to the point.
Put the effect you want to use in the FX bin of a bus. Insert a send in your subject audio track.
A pre-fader send will send the audio to the bus before it passes through the FX bin, and will be completely independent from your track output.
A post-fader send will send the audio to the bus after it has passed through the FX bin, and will be subject to the track output level.
Supose we want to apply an exagerated reverb to a short section, maybe a measure.
If the track has effects in the FX bin that are crucial to the sound, like an amp sim, bounce the track first, and use the bounced track as your source track.
Now, insert a send, and select PRE. Turn the send on.
Right click the track, and insert a send envelope. At the point we want to exagerate the reverb, raise the send envelope. You can also insert a volume envelope, and drop the volume in the source track at the same time for more drama.
It looks much more complicated than it really is, and you can use this to do spot effects, or even morph a sound into something completely different.

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:08:50 GMT

hmm. ok - thanks for reporting that. I was sure the 2nd part would work without applying to the whole track. I'll look at it tonite again and see if I missed a step or something.

RE: Editing an audio track (JD1813)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:40:27 GMT

Beage: I just tried it (in MC4) and once I've got the portion of the audio clip selected, right-clicking does not give any option of Add Clip FX. I would have to copy the clip to a separate track, as you suggested in option #2. Trying the Process FX in your last option, added the FX to the entire track, and not the selected portion.
Greg: Using your suggestion, Process/Apply Effects, brings up a pop-up that says that it is about to add whatever FX is in the track, to the selected clip. It makes no sense to me to DO that function, since that's already what's in place before we try to select the portion of the track to begin with. So - so far tests seem to indicate that MC4 cannot apply FX of a track, to a selected Clip - we have to paste the Clip into a separate track, there that FX can then act on that entire NEW track. Please let me know if any of you find out otherwise. I consider it a major feature in terms of editing/processing, and perhaps this is one area that CW splits between MC4 and the higher-end Sonar products. oh well - I love MC4 regardless! " />

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:27:57 GMT

actually, the track DOESN'T have to have an FX in it. just using PROCESS>FX>AUDIO FX>ETC...(or similar, I don't remember the exact menu options) will process the effect on that highlighted clip.

RE: Editing an audio track (57Gregy)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:07:47 GMT

I've never tried it with a clip, but on entire tracks. Maybe you can try it:
Select a clip by clicking on it (the track must have an effect in it). At the top, click 'Process>Apply Effects', click OK or whatever starts it and see if it acts just on the selected clip, not the entire track.
It it doesn't work like you want, go to 'Edit>Undo'.

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:05:49 GMT

yes, you can apply FX to portions of a track, there are several ways to accomplish it but it depend on MC. I've never had MC, so I don't know if they removed THIS functionality from Sonar 6 or not, but it's available to me in S6:

first, split the part into a clip using the scissors or split tool, then right click on the clip and it will give you the option to add CLIP FX.

if that's not available, you can move that clip to another track and use the FX bin

OR you can destructively add FX to the clip by highlighting that clip and then choose PROCESS>FX

RE: Editing an audio track (JD1813)

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:57:13 GMT

While we're on the subject of Audio Track Editing, what are the type of processing that can be done on PORTIONS OF an audio track? For example, if you have a small section of the audio track selected, you can't apply an FX to just that segment? It appears that an FX hits the entire track regardless of how you select only a portion? But there are some other effects that you CAN apply to only a selected section? (Fade/Crossfade, Gain....others?) Does anyone have a good handle on what all we ARE able to effect on a small selected portion of the audio track? " />

RE: Editing an audio track (RobertB)

Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:37:45 GMT

Make sure to put a checkmark in the Snap to Zero Crossing box, as Beagle mentioned. That can save you a lot of grief.

RE: Editing an audio track (jpartrick)

Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:23:50 GMT

That's exactly what I'm looking for guys! thanks very much!

RE: Editing an audio track (Guitarhacker)

Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:09 GMT

set the snap to grid to Absolute Time and you can place the cut point exactly where you want. click the magnifying glass to zoom in.... for precise placement...

Cut at the start point and cut again at the end point.... you can undo & move the cuts.... highlight the part to be removed.... select delete.... click OK..... then you can drag the 2 parts together.... all sorts of stuff is possible.

RE: Editing an audio track (57Gregy)

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:46:46 GMT

Right. And you can blow up the image for even greater precision using the zoom buttons on the lower right.

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:46:06 GMT

turning it off CAN cause pops and clicks at the cut mark because you're not cutting at zero crossings (which should be checked in the snap to grid box). I always use the snap to grid and put it at the highest resolution if I want to make precision cuts.

RE: Editing an audio track (Tap)

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:28:23 GMT

I think you need to turn the Snap to grid off if you want a precise cut ??? I don't think I've ever tried this, though.

-- TAP --

RE: Editing an audio track (Beagle)

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:49:01 GMT

you have your snap to grid resolution too big. look for the little icon that looks like a grid, click on the arrow beside it and change the resolution to something smaller.

Editing an audio track (jpartrick)

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:34:45 GMT

Does anyone know if MC4 will allow you to do detailed editing of an audio track? For example, say you have a 30 second track and you want to cut out the middle from 10 second to 19 second mark, how do you do that? When I have tried to make a cut like this, the program only allows me to put the marker at specified intervals which are very large. If anyone has an answer or any clues I would appreciate it! thanks!
jeff