The SONAR 8.3 Log

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Sickvision)

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:19:06 GMT

i cant upload the patch from my g3 wireless internet is there away to have it sent to me

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (tazman)

Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:58:15 GMT

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (gothic.angel)

Mon, 18 May 2009 15:36:52 GMT

ORIGINAL: RigPa

...So I flushed my S8 DVD's in the toilet. Sorry, for me it wasnt worth the money...

Ok, we know You don't really mean it... it must be just a way of saying you won't use it any longer...

anyway, given the money invested, plus the fact that you MUST have heared and read (QUITE A LOT...) around that SONAR 8 is simply the best SONAR ever, and, possibly, according to QUITE A LOT of people involved in the industry, the BEST DAW at the moment...
...I think you had better keep your purchased software, instead, as you might take a chance to use it on a different (better working...) system...

regards

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (musicroom)

Sun, 17 May 2009 18:10:14 GMT

ORIGINAL: RigPa

I spent too many months trying to make S8 run without crashing and Unable to open audio playback device error messages. Im back to Sonar 703. This is the best thing I have done since the release of S8. BitBridge is not exactly stable but its fine. Today is the first day since I upgraded to S8 that it was possible to work 14 hours without crashes with S7. So I flushed my S8 DVD's in the toilet. Sorry, for me it wasnt worth the money. I've lost a fortune trying to make Sonar work instead of making music and Tech. Sup. hasnt got the slightest idea what is wrong. Actually I dont think they believe me. Now I will try to come back in business... I have been using Cakewalk since Cakewalk 1.0 for DOS from the eighties. They all had their issues. And Im not going for Sonar9.

I enjoy S8 much more the S7, but I understand that you use what works. I know you have checked your drivers for your motu. The problem surely sits inside of there somewhere. Or not :)

I've had a couple of crashes here and there even in 32bit mode when loading plugins. Last night, I was loading cake's own fxchorus and bam. Reboot. I am hopeful they put some effort in getting those excellent fx's ported from dx and over to vst64. Their plugins don't get a lot of talk around here, but they are actually very good if you take some time to tweak - and have very little overhead. I think their fxreverb sounds much better than a lot of plugs in their class.

All in all - I am making some nice recordings with S8 and would not like it if I had to go back a version.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (RigPa)

Sun, 17 May 2009 17:16:49 GMT

I spent too many months trying to make S8 run without crashing and Unable to open audio playback device error messages. Im back to Sonar 703. This is the best thing I have done since the release of S8. BitBridge is not exactly stable but its fine. Today is the first day since I upgraded to S8 that it was possible to work 14 hours without crashes with S7. So I flushed my S8 DVD's in the toilet. Sorry, for me it wasnt worth the money. I've lost a fortune trying to make Sonar work instead of making music and Tech. Sup. hasnt got the slightest idea what is wrong. Actually I dont think they believe me. Now I will try to come back in business... I have been using Cakewalk since Cakewalk 1.0 for DOS from the eighties. They all had their issues. And Im not going for Sonar9.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Timur)

Fri, 15 May 2009 10:47:09 GMT

Impressive log (and good advertisement)! Makes me wish I was a regular Sonar user in times.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (syeles)

Sun, 10 May 2009 00:01:15 GMT

Hello,

I'm Albert Syeles. I started using Sonar in 1972 in the US Navy. True, but a different Sonar.

But seriously, I've been a Cakewalk user since Music Creator 1.0, Sonar since 2.0 and Sonar PE since 3.0. I just upgraded to PE 8 and I'm very happy that it has many of the feature improvements I've been wishing for for many years, particularly MIDI workflow in Piano Roll View. I use Sonar of course for terrific audio sequencing and production, but especially for MIDI recording, composing, arranging, etc.

However, Sonar still underwhelms in one critical area: notation. Not much change, if any, since Music Creator 1. Yes I know, it's not intended to be Finale or Sibelius. Fine. But they could spend just a little effort to refine what Sonar does in Staff View. For instance note resolution is still restricted to 32d for printing. How hard is it to increase it to 64th or finer? Grace notes, arpeggios, etc, just don't print out at all the way it works now. And how about providing a tool for expression markers and more flexible placement for expression text. Not asking much I think. I'm not even asking for hairpins and the like that actually work on a MIDI level. Just printing enhancements.

Just those few changes would save me the expense and MAJOR hassle to port my MIDI to Finale just to print a presentable score. And also end my constant thoughts of just switching to Finale as it keeps getting better at audio production.

Albert

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (gswitz)

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:12:26 GMT

Thanks, Noel. Enjoyed it.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (ChristopherM)

Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:45:31 GMT

which is why I think some developers have gone to public beta's as they get close to release

"public beta" seems rather to be code for "if we'd released this, you users would legitimately expect the software to be fit for purpose: so we'll never release it, then you won't be able to complain if it doesn't perform". At least Cakewalk is more honest than that.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (tags)

Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:45:38 GMT

A question about this:

MPEX not disabled in x64

I'm now on Sonar 8.3.1.372 Producer Edition on Vista x64, and there's still no MPEX option when doing process -> length operation. I checked that it does indeed work nicely on Vista 32-bit. Anything I need to do to enable it?

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (mudgel)

Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:21:25 GMT

I always have sonar set to allow multiple projects open but the funny thing with 8.3.1 is that if I shift click select multiple projects (in Windows Explorer) Sonar opens with only one of the selected projects loaded. (the last one on the list). If I leave SONAR open and just close that project nothing happens but if I close SONAR down, it immediately opens with the next project in the selected list, and so on until all the selected files have been opened one at a time.

Now I can have a multitude of projects open at one time as long as I select them individually. Either through SONAR's Open File Dialog or Windows Explorer doesn't make a difference.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Texrat)

Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:09:33 GMT

Now if I could only get 8.3 to work, instead of freezing Sonar when I try to play a project...

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Divinit)

Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:07:16 GMT

To the Fantastic Space Cowboys and Cowgirls at Cakewalk Development,

When you treat us to techspertise and don't talk down to us, it sure does feel good!
I have to admit the improvements that were advertised in the <then> upcoming 8.3 "patch" sounded pretty much like a major release to me.

And you didn't disappoint....

These are all usable components that will do nothing but improve what any of us are doing with SONAR.

Kudos, ladies and gentlemen....

See you in October.....

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (jackn2mpu)

Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:07:24 GMT

ORIGINAL: mudgel

Perhaps in this update the default behaviour is to allow only one project open at a time. Check Options | Global - General tab. about half way down you'll see the "Allow only one open project at a time" check box.

But having just tried it myself I see that it wont work. I can open multiple projects from within SONAR but only one at a time.

I can open multiple projects from Windows Explorer no problem. This is with the 8.3.1. patch.
What was weird was when I first tried this and went to expand a couple of MIDI tracks in Track View and in the left hand part of the view where all the controls are there was a black blank space at the bottom of each of the tracks under the controls. Minimized and maximized the tracks and the black space was still there. Tried playing a few of the MIDI tracks and the sound was nasty. Then I remembered I had run the latency on my sound card all the way to the low end so I could do some real time playing. I shut down Sonar, went to my sound card's control panel, upped the latency to the max, closed the card's properties, re-opened Sonar, and all was well. Sound was fine, and the black area at the bottom of the tracks was now gone. Also, somewheres in this whole mess my track meters got changed to horizontal when I nener use that option; always vertical meters.

I have Sonar set so I can open multiple projects at one time. I didn't have to change this when I did the update as my personalized settings were picked up on first reboot and open after the update. I get in the habit of rebooting the computer after ANY update - cleans out any leftover crumbs from an installer.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (jadonx)

Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:49:13 GMT

This is a great update. I think the PDC overide is a Godsend when using soft synths . I also disable my network card (by shortcut) after using DPC latency check software(3rd party). It would be good if Cakewalk could do a computer analysis scan(future update maybe) to find problems such as found by the dpc tool to find any audio problems.

Thanks for good update.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (mudgel)

Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:26:09 GMT

Perhaps in this update the default behaviour is to allow only one project open at a time. Check Options | Global - General tab. about half way down you'll see the "Allow only one open project at a time" check box.

But having just tried it myself I see that it wont work. I can open multiple projects from within SONAR but only one at a time.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Susan G)

Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:22:23 GMT

Hi-

I'm not Noel, but do you have "Allow Only One Open Project at a Time" checked by any chance (Options > Global > General)?

Just a thought...

-Susan

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (bharris99)

Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:30:57 GMT

Noel can you look into something for me. I use sonar both live and in the studio. I can no longer open multiple files at the same time through windows explorer . I just went through the updates one at a time. 801, & 802 caused no problems still can open multiple files at once in windows explorer, when I put patch 830 this is the patch that causes the problem. I can no longer open multiple filesâ€¦ I typically in live situation highlight several file in windows explorer and open them all at the same time. I can no longer do this. I Hope this helps to isolate the problem and get it fixedâ€¦

Thanks, Robert

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Pools of Mercury)

Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:48:41 GMT

I really loved reading this thread ... and I really love working with Sonar 8.3 PE -- incredible things are happening in my life since I upgraded!

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (fastelder)

Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:25:07 GMT

ORIGINAL: InstrEd

Wow Noel,

Just printed it so I can read it off line.

Just with the little I have play with 8.3, Cakewalk and company did a fantastic job.
Great work. Now how about working on the Staff/Notation improvements for Sonar 9 (hint, hint)

Ed

BTW Noel, I'm also waiting for you to start the "Sonar announces completely revised, enhanced and feature packed revision of Staff Notation" Thread

Another Ed

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (kson)

Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:44:16 GMT

I'm so glad I switched from Logic way back when...Thanks.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (terch)

Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:28:17 GMT

Hi,

I've got the "Move To" Problem too. And i'm on a big project in a couple of days... I think i will downgrade to 8.02 to work fine. But there's some bugsFIXs in 8.3 that i really appreciate, and new functions like the PDC' optimisation. As michaelschack, it's for me a nightmare and "please fix this ASAP and not in the near future ! "

Thanks,

Nicolas

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (michaelschack)

Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:57:17 GMT

Everyone,

I'm in the middle of a production using Sonar 8.3 and I'm quite troubled : the "Move To" problem that is described on the support/download page is bigger than they think - whenever I move a clip (copy, move, clone track) it is mistakenly repositioned with a margin of more than "a few clicks" - especially in high tempo project (above 160/170 BPM Drum'n Bass or Punk for instance) it's a damn nightmare !!!!
Please fix this ASAP and not "in the near future"...

Much appreciated,

Michael.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (dke)

Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:55:48 GMT

I don't think the length of release cycle matters much. I have software that is on an 18+ month cycle and they are no more bug free than any other software or Sonar. Longer cycles mean more expectation for features, so you still spend the same relative amount of time working on features, then debugging. The problem IMO is simply there is no way with a small beta team you're going to catch all or even most of the bugs, which is why I think some developers have gone to public beta's as they get close to release. You still won't catch all the bugs, but you'll probably catch all the show stoppers/major bugs, at least the chances are better. :)

Dan

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Richard Fey)

Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:01:39 GMT

Welcome to the Forum!

I've got a Cake ProAudio7 disc stashed away, somewhere. You will love Sonar 8!

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (Lar)

Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:47:14 GMT

Hi, I just joined the forum. I started using Cakewalk (and stopped tinkering with MIDI on the whole) way back before it was called Sonar. My last version was Cakewalk Pro 10, around 1999. I just downloaded Sonar 8 pro trial.

This is off topic, but Silence Dogwood's profile pic looks very much like one I had the opportunity to visit just a few days ago. Is that located near the beach by any chance. If so, if was great being there.

Lar

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (gothic.angel)

Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:36:03 GMT

I think you're right...
...I also think it should be noticed that, on the other hand, the same quickly moving technology is causing a certain deal of other users to feel pretty tired of always rushing to be after the new stuff... I mean we almost never take full advantage of the "tools" we have invested (a lot of money) in... as we soon have to start "looking forward" again...
...after a few cycles of these... things can get bothering, if not even annoying...

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (kp)

Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:14:46 GMT

One point that I don't think has been raised (although groove hinted at it) is that the technology is moving quickly and users are impatient (as we all know, I'm sure :-)): if Cakewalk - or any similar company that is relying on this kind of income for continued existence - waits too long to release a version with new functionality, then users will jump ship or the technology will have changed so much that they'll then have to delay the release even further to catch up with that technology or look out of date. And so on and so on...

Cakewalk have obviously decided that a 12 month release cycle copes with this (and other points) enough.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (vuterly)

Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:26:47 GMT

ORIGINAL: groove

(uber-paragraph)

You raise some very good points. I can see it would be a risk to change their release cycle, I just don't agree it's as cut-and-dry as "yearly release = yearly money, 18-monthly release = 18-monthly money". If Sonar gets better as a result of an 18 month period between major versions, arguably Cakewalk stand to make more money in the long run: happier users, better reputation, more breathing room to address subtler parts of the program. It all adds up.

But I suppose, logically speaking, you could argue that those users you described who are liable to move to a different app in the absence of a major update would have an offsetting effect on the above. Thus any gains brought about by the extended release cycle would be cancelled out.

Obviously it's up to Cakewalk, and I somehow doubt they even have time to consider this, judging by the ageing state of their website, support channel and bug reporting system. When push comes to shove, I can only vote with my feet. It just depends on how other users feel.

RE: The SONAR 8.3 Log (gothic.angel)

Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:24:56 GMT

ORIGINAL: groove
(everything stated...)

...all worth considering points... indeed...