Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (CJaysMusic)

Tue, 26 May 2009 07:13:00 GMT

It is not so simple in Sonar, where I must bounce tracks into audio before I even have access to "Sonitus FX."

I don't know what sonar your using, but the one i use can insert FX on midi sounds by inserting the effect on the audio track that outputs the midi data. No need to bounce. It is that simple. I think after you learn sonar, you'll see the light or understand or both or neither. But with my sonar (Sonar producer 8.3.1) i don't need to bounce to add effects to midi sounds.

Any why call people Trying to help You names??? Does someone need a time out???

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Tue, 26 May 2009 01:17:52 GMT

ORIGINAL: mudgel
You have the patience of Job.
Don't know why you're wasting your time Russell! Well, I do . You've told us why.

In another thread 'bluecafe' is wanting an AudioSnap 1,2,3 here's how you do it easy. Not getting any where there either. He's just told me about how he records guitar in Audacity then exports a wave and drops it into SONAR now wants to Audio Snap to the metronome because his timings out. Your patience might better serve him; I'm done I think.

It doesn't take that much patience; my motivation is usually to help people understand (instead of perpetuating potentially confusing misinformation), because I personally enjoy understanding the way things work myself. I'm not trying to force that on anyone, and I do appreciate that it's not useful information to everyone, but I just couldn't read such a blatantly nonfactual statement without responding - I couldn't muster that level of self-control. Obviously we've had a butting of heads here, but I was under the impression that I was interacting with a rational, respectful individual who simply had a different viewpoint. As his last two posts have shown us, that is clearly not the case, and as you'll see in my post right before this one, my patience for this particular issue with this particular individual is now depleted. Oh well.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Tue, 26 May 2009 01:06:09 GMT

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69
Good on ya, bro. Keep on writing... I have heard what you said. Sonitux is for audio, and FL converts MIDI to audio via the mixing board. Is that your point?? If so, then why is it you think I haven't heard you?

Because until *this* post, you didn't actually show any evidence whatsoever of understanding my point - you only argued that you "have never used "Sonitus fx" on audio in FL Studio" - and then accused *me* of being argumentative.

My point ... "Who gives a ****?"

Obviously, I do. Because for me, I can work faster, with fewer obstacles to creativity, by understanding what I tried to explain to you. I didn't try to make you work differently; I only tried to correct misinformation. But apparently you don't care about anything that doesn't immediately affect your own workflow. Again, you'll find that that attitude won't get you very far long-term. If you're the next Mozart, or Timbaland, or Beck, or BT, and you can afford to be arrogant because you're so incredibly brilliant, fine. More power to you. But you made a statement in this thread that was contrary to actual fact, and when I offered clarification, you argued.

It doesn't change anything. Just use the effects on whatever the hell you want in FL Studio. There is no need to be conscious of it. MIDI and Audio are all the same in that program. Must I repeat myself? Or is what I'm saying too complicated for the readers, here. You must think people are so stupid.

No, I think people are capable of understanding more than the idea that "MIDI and Audio are all the same in that program." I explain things because I think people *aren't* stupid, and that many of us have greater potential than what we're given credit for. And MIDI and Audio are NOT all the same in FL Studio - they are just integrated and interrelated in a way that makes it easy to ignore the distinction, as you're doing. Obviously it's an elegant design in that regard, and obviously very useful to you as well. But it doesn't make them the same.

I find you a little hypocritical, oh-wise-one.

That's unfortunate. I apologise if I was offensive. It was not my intent to turn this into a lecture or a fight. In my first contribution to this thread, I corrected an inaccurate statement about the Sonitus plugins. Beyond that, I have only responded to repeated refusals to accept reality, and if I am vehement in my language it is because the whole thing has gotten extremely frustrating.

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69
What I am doing now is recording a guitar track into audacity without accompaniment. Why? Because I want to learn to use the Audiosnap feature in Sonar to align my guitar and drums without having to play them in time. In other words, my post in the other thread relates to a learning exercise. But apparently you're too stupid to realize that.

How on earth did you expect anyone to know that you were doing it as a learning exercise? Telepathy? And then you call people stupid for offering suggestions that they thought might be useful to you?

Go ****, yourself.

Yeah, that's real mature.

Let's wrap up this way: You don't want to know that FL Studio handles MIDI and Audio separately, in separate parts of the program. Fine. You don't want to know that the Sonitus plugins operate on audio, not MIDI, because thinking about it gets in the way of your flow. Fine. But don't think that you're going to argue false points and not meet with a contrary response from someone - and certainly don't start insulting people.

I've nothing more to say about it, unless you feel like adjusting your attitude.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Tue, 26 May 2009 00:49:17 GMT

What I usually do when I want to record guitar, is I first compose a drum track. I then listen to that drum track through an ear piece while I record my guitar. I then take the guitar (recorded in Audacity) and mix it with the drum track, in FL Studio. There is no need to quantize or use audiosnap, because everything is in time.

What I am doing now is recording a guitar track into audacity without accompaniment. Why? Because I want to learn to use the Audiosnap feature in Sonar to align my guitar and drums without having to play them in time. In other words, my post in the other thread relates to a learning exercise. But apparently you're too stupid to realize that.

Go ****, yourself.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Tue, 26 May 2009 00:40:36 GMT

Good on ya, bro. Keep on writing... I have heard what you said. Sonitux is for audio, and FL converts MIDI to audio via the mixing board. Is that your point?? If so, then why is it you think I haven't heard you?

My point ... "Who gives a ****?" It doesn't change anything. Just use the effects on whatever the hell you want in FL Studio. There is no need to be conscious of it. MIDI and Audio are all the same in that program. Must I repeat myself? Or is what I'm saying too complicated for the readers, here. You must think people are so stupid.

I find you a little hypocritical, oh-wise-one.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (mudgel)

Tue, 26 May 2009 00:14:00 GMT

You have the patience of Job.
Don't know why you're wasting your time Russell! Well, I do . You've told us why.

In another thread 'bluecafe' is wanting an AudioSnap 1,2,3 here's how you do it easy. Not getting any where there either. He's just told me about how he records guitar in Audacity then exports a wave and drops it into SONAR now wants to Audio Snap to the metronome because his timings out. Your patience might better serve him; I'm done I think.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Mon, 25 May 2009 23:45:04 GMT

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69
What you're saying for the most part is academic, and to me appears to be more of an excuse to argue.

I would prefer not to have to argue in the first place - it's turning into a real waste of time. I'm really just trying to clarify a point that you, so far, have insisted on making fuzzy. I'm not trying to "convert" you or change the way you work - I'm simply attempting to be as accurate as possible, as you and I are not the only ones reading these posts.

It has no barring on the way one would use Sonitux FX in FL Studio.

I think you mean "bearing." (Not deliberately arguing here; just making sure I understand you.) And to answer that point, I would have to say "yes and no." It has no bearing on the way you use Sonitus FX in FL Studio, but it *might* affect the way someone else looks at it. As I've mentioned before (and I'm really repeating myself quite a lot now, because you refuse to acknowledge my point even though I've acknowledged yours), the Sonitus plugins are *not* operating on MIDI - you're just ignoring the fact that the "mixer" and "FX" parts of FL Studio are audio.

I do no composing in audio in that (FL) program; I record nothing, and I do not even use a keyboard. See: http://soundcloud.com/bernie-allen

You *hear* audio, right? Audio comes out of your speakers, or headphones, or whatever else you might listen through, right? When was the last time you "heard" MIDI? If you've ever specifically listened to someone say the words, "Note On, Number 62, Velocity 74, duration 479 ticks; Controller 7, Value 48" then I would say you've "heard" MIDI; otherwise, you're hearing the audio created from your MIDI information. If you want to call it academic, go right ahead. But it has practical real-world implications. Maybe not for you; maybe not yet. But for the rest of us - and for other people who will read this thread - it's more than just theory.

If the mixer, because of some quirk, converts what I have composed to audio in order to do its job, great. I have not done this on my own, and in the end it changes absolutely nothing. It has only made things easier for me.

Not a quirk - a deliberate and necessary design, based on the reality that MIDI is only a way of communicating musical information, and is not actually the audio that we hear. Of course you haven't done it on your own - that's the whole reason for using a DAW host like FL Studio or SONAR or Logic or GarageBand or ProTools or Reaper or whatever else you can think of. They do the work of taking our notes and expressions (MIDI) and converting it to sound for us (audio). It's *supposed* to make things easier for you. But it doesn't make the Sonitus FX plugins MIDI plugins. They're not MIDI plugins. They never have been MIDI plugins. They don't change the MIDI information; they process the *audio*. If you want an example of a MIDI plugin, look at the Quantize MFX plugin that you can insert on a MIDI track in SONAR - it will change the MIDI information before it even hits the synth. That's not what Sonitus does.

The rest is blah-blah-blah.

I'm sorry you think it's "blah-blah-blah." That's fairly insulting, actually, after someone has had the respect to try and explain their viewpoint to you through a constructive dialogue. And your disrespectful tone will affect the way others on this forum choose to help you (or not help you) when you have a question. That's not a threat; it's just the reality of an online community.

though, I will admit I need to learn Sonar better and you have made some things a little clearer. So thanks.

Fair enough. You're welcome.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 23:25:13 GMT

Thanks, there is some very useful information there. I will definitely be putting that to use. :)

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 23:16:24 GMT

What you're saying for the most part is academic, and to me appears to be more of an excuse to argue. It has no barring on the way one would use Sonitux FX in FL Studio. I do no composing in audio in that (FL) program; I record nothing, and I do not even use a keyboard. See: http://soundcloud.com/bernie-allen

If the mixer, because of some quirk, converts what I have composed to audio in order to do its job, great. I have not done this on my own, and in the end it changes absolutely nothing. It has only made things easier for me.

The rest is blah-blah-blah. though, I will admit I need to learn Sonar better and you have made some things a little clearer. So thanks.

- Bernie

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Mon, 25 May 2009 23:12:00 GMT

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69

Here's what I use FL Studio for. I use Sonar for mastering (sometimes): http://soundcloud.com/bernie-allen

I hear how the effects (especially delays) are an important part of your creative process.

I can do similar things in Sonar 8... However, the process is much more tricky.. Mostly because I must first convert MIDI to audio in order to get access the good effects in Sonar. Mind you, I only recently started using Sonar 8 (producer edition).

Think of busses in SONAR like the mixer in FL Studio. In FL Studio, you have to tell an instrument channel to go to a certain FX channel in the mixer (the number in the upper-right-hand corner of the instrument's interface); in SONAR, you would direct a track to a bus instead (and you can name the busses). In FL Studio, you have a separate step sequencer window, and a separate mixer window; in SONAR, the Track View shows you both the tracks (in the top pane) and the busses (in the bottom pane). If you route a softsynth's track to a *bus*, and insert an audio effect on that bus, you'll have realtime effects without having to render first - just like in FL Studio.

Basically, you can do the same thing in SONAR that you're describing in FL Studio; but it will be up to you as you learn both programs better which one you continue to be most comfortable in. Good luck with it.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 23:03:19 GMT

Here's what I use FL Studio for. I use Sonar for mastering (sometimes): http://soundcloud.com/bernie-allen

I can do similar things in Sonar 8... However, the process is much more tricky.. Mostly because I must first convert MIDI to audio in order to get access the good effects in Sonar. Mind you, I only recently started using Sonar 8 (producer edition).

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (mudgel)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:52:09 GMT

Just because we're here in the SONAR forum is no reason to think that we don't use other programs.

In fact I'd venture to say that most of us use several programs but probably have a favorite that we focus on. I have tried what I would think all the available programs (including Fruity Loops) except for some that are tied to specific hardware platforms.

So if ever I comment on another piece of software its because I'm familiar with it, just as Susan and others have already said they are.

BTW its funny that you comment on SONAR not being very good for making beats and hip hop. Do you know that SONAR's target audience includes that genre? Have you seen the number of high profile players in your scene who use SONAR in making beats? There are tools in SONAR that focus quite specifically on that area.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:52:00 GMT

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69

1) I know what both MIDI and Audio are (although I would not have given such an elaborate explanation relating to audio). I really don't see your point, however. Purely academic or practical... was there a reason for this?

The reason was that you stated "I have never used "Sonitus fx" on audio in FL Studio ... "Never."" which is simply incorrect. You have, in fact, always used Sonitus FX on audio. The Sonitus effects are audio effects, and when you use them in FL Studio you are using them in the audio portion of the signal chain. And I point it out because there are many people who come to this forum for information, and if they find incorrect information that's only going to slow them down instead of helping them. It is absolutely practical, not just academic.

2) I compose music in MIDI in FL Studio, I then go to the mixer and insert effects. There is nothing that requires that I first convert my MIDI composition into Audio before the Sonitus FXs work (this is what this is all about).

There's nothing that requires that you convert your MIDI composition into audio in SONAR either - just insert the Sonitus effect on the *audio* track instead of the MIDI track (or, if you're using an instrument track, make sure to view the separate audio and MIDI portions of that instrument track; or output the instrument track to a bus and insert the Sonitus effect on the bus, etc.). You're ignoring the fact that SONAR can use the effects in real time on a bus (or on an audio track whose input source is the softsynth), just like FL Studio.

Therefore, in my opinion the effects work with use on MIDI. Whether the MIDI is converted to Audio at some point makes no differences because I (the user) have done nothing to cause this. It is simply an idiosyncratic quirk in FL Studio.

Again, incorrect. And again, I point it out because other people are going to read this and perhaps be confused by your misinformation. The Sonitus effects, quite simply, do not operate on MIDI. They operate on the audio created from that MIDI information. The fact that you think you "have done nothing to cause this" doesn't make it any less real. It's not a "quirk" of FL Studio - it's the fact that you're *choosing* not to make the distinction between the mixer and the instrument channels. And again, that's fine for you if it works for you - but try not to misinform other people.

3) I still think the use of these effects is easier in FL Studio, by far. I mean, there is no thought behind it... simply use when necessary.

Fantastic. And it's great that you've figured that out. Learning our own workflow and optimal productivity is extremely important. Just don't confuse other people by choosing to oversimplify it yourself.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:38:58 GMT

1) I know what both MIDI and Audio are (although I would not have given such an elaborate explanation relating to audio). I really don't see your point, however. Purely academic or practical... was there a reason for this?

2) I compose music in MIDI in FL Studio, I then go to the mixer and insert effects. There is nothing that requires that I first convert my MIDI composition into Audio before the Sonitus FXs work (this is what this is all about). Therefore, in my opinion the effects work with use on MIDI. Whether the MIDI is converted to Audio at some point makes no differences because I (the user) have done nothing to cause this. It is simply an idiosyncratic quirk in FL Studio.

3) I still think the use of these effects is easier in FL Studio, by far. I mean, there is no thought behind it... simply use when necessary.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:35:01 GMT

And I should also note - there's nothing wrong, specifically, with choosing not to notice the audio / MIDI distinction, if you work more quickly by viewing them as transparent; in fact, this is the intention of SONAR's instrument track - to make it more transparent and seamless to the user. But the underlying reality still exists, that MIDI and audio are two different things, and the Sonitus effects (as well as FL Studio's effects) operate on audio data, not MIDI.

So, to get back to the original poster's question (I already answered this in an earlier post, but it may have gotten buried): The effects that come with FL Studio are "keyed" to FL Studio only. That means that while they may (or may not) seem to be available in other hosts (like SONAR) as VST plugins, they will probably not work properly, and may in fact crash your system. However, the Image Line folks have made some of the more popular ones (like some of the filters and delays, as well as the vocoder and EQUO) available as a separate set of standalone VST plugins.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (Susan G)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:21:11 GMT

Good for you!" /> I lost patience back when bluecafe69 asked "Have you used FL Studio?" Aargh!

-Susan

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:13:38 GMT

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69

I'm not quite sure what is meant by "you have to insert the audio plugins on the *audio* track that's being fed by the synth." But your suggestion relating to external hardware still requires that one convert MIDI to audio in order to get access to Sonitus FX. That is not necessary in FL Studio, and that is my point.

I understand your point. But you're still ignoring the distinction - FL Studio's "channel" is the equivalent of a MIDI track in SONAR; FL Studio's "FX" slot is the equivalent of an audio track or bus in SONAR. In FL Studio, you're still dealing with the information separately - you just haven't realized it.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:11:26 GMT

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69

My point is that they work on MIDI data... Nothing more. Whether the program is manipulating MIDI directly, or the audio that is generated from that MIDI is of "absolutely" no consequence to me. All I know is that "I" make no additional efforts to use the effects on whatever I decide to use. The rest is superfluous pish-posh, as far as I'm concerned.

Here's the thing: it *isn't* superfluous pish-posh. You're choosing not to understand the difference, and that's not the same as there being no difference. There *is* a difference - MIDI is an information protocol that has been in existence since before computers were used for digital recording, and only tells the *instrument* what to play; and it doesn't matter whether that "instrument" is in the computer or outside it. Digital audio, on the other hand, is a numerical representation of the actual physical or electronic sonic information that we hear - a computerized representation of the vibrations in the air.

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69
My point is that they work on MIDI data... Nothing more.

Absolutely incorrect. The effects in FL Studio do not work on MIDI data - they work on the audio generated by softsynths. By the time the effects do anything, the MIDI data has already been converted to audio.

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69
Whether the program is manipulating MIDI directly, or the audio that is generated from that MIDI is of "absolutely" no consequence to me. All I know is that "I" make no additional efforts to use the effects on whatever I decide to use.

If it seems transparent to you, that's fine; but it doesn't mean that it's specifically cumbersome in SONAR. It's just being exposed to you differently.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:10:48 GMT

I'm not quite sure what is meant by "you have to insert the audio plugins on the *audio* track that's being fed by the synth." But your suggestion relating to external hardware still requires that one convert MIDI to audio in order to get access to Sonitus FX. That is not necessary in FL Studio, and that is my point.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (Susan G)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:07:21 GMT

All I know is that "I" make no additional efforts to use the effects on whatever I decide to use. The rest is superfluous pish-posh, as far as I'm concerned.

I understand your point, but good luck with that attitude, since sooner or later I predict it will matter to you whether you're using Audio or MIDI FX.

-Susan

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 21:56:50 GMT

My point is that they work on MIDI data... Nothing more. Whether the program is manipulating MIDI directly, or the audio that is generated from that MIDI is of "absolutely" no consequence to me. All I know is that "I" make no additional efforts to use the effects on whatever I decide to use. The rest is superfluous pish-posh, as far as I'm concerned.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (Susan G)

Mon, 25 May 2009 21:51:21 GMT

Hi Russell-

However, the Image Line folks have made some of the more popular ones (like some of the filters and delays, as well as the vocoder and EQUO) available as a separate set of standalone VST plugins.

Right, that's the "Juice Pack", and it's got some pretty neat FX included.

-Susan

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (Susan G)

Mon, 25 May 2009 21:46:31 GMT

Have you used FL Studio?

Of course I have. I've been using it for years. I wouldn't offer any advice about it unless I knew from first-hand experience what I was talking about.

The Sonitus FX are Audio only. Here's a link. You need to understand better how FLS works in terms of MIDI and then Audio FX. Sonitus FX are not MIDI FX.

-Susan

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (RTGraham)

Mon, 25 May 2009 21:44:04 GMT

ORIGINAL: bluecafe69

Have you used FL Studio? I suggest that you download it, and then install the "Sonitus fx" in the program. If I am using these effects on audio generated by midi, then great. However, there are no waveforms present, and I have not recorded any audio. I use MIDI (and only midi) and then simply select which "Sonitus FX" I wish to use. Then apply... I usually use Sonitus Reverb, Delay or Equalizer.

FL Studio does not have the capability to use effects "on MIDI." Effect plugins in FL Studio are inserted into the *audio* chain in the mixer view; each effect slot is an *audio* slot. Both the Fruity VSTs and whatever other plugins you use (like Sonitus) are operating on the audio generated by softsynths inside FL Studio. By the time it reaches the effect, it's already audio. It doesn't matter that you haven't recorded an audio track, or can't see a waveform - the default FL Studio instrument "channels" are, by definition, samplers; and every other built-in instrument is some kind of softsynth that generates audio. It would serve you well to understand the difference between the MIDI data that tells the softsynth what to play, and the audio data that results.

SONAR, on the other hand, has the additional capability of using MFX plugins - that is to say, MIDI plugins - on MIDI tracks. These types of plugins operate on the MIDI information (note, controller, etc.) before it gets to the synth. FL Studio does not have this capability.

The effects that come with FL Studio are "keyed" to FL Studio only. That means that while they may (or may not) seem to be available in other hosts (like SONAR) as VST plugins, they will probably not work properly, and may in fact crash your system. However, the Image Line folks have made some of the more popular ones (like some of the filters and delays, as well as the vocoder and EQUO) available as a separate set of standalone VST plugins. The package price for the VST bundle is pretty reasonable (I think it was $99 last time I looked), and I love having the vocoder available in SONAR as a discrete plugin.

It is not so simple in Sonar, where I must bounce tracks into audio before I even have access to "Sonitus FX."

If you're using softsynths in SONAR, you don't need to bounce tracks to audio to gain access to the audio plugins - you have to insert the audio plugins on the *audio* track that's being fed by the synth (if you're using an instrument track, you may need to expose its underlying pair of audio-track-plus-MIDI-track).

If you're using external (hardware) synths, then you need to set up an audio track for the audio interface input where the synth is connected, and either record the synth or at least enable input monitoring for that track.

Again, understanding the difference between MIDI and audio - and their relationship within a sequencer - will serve you well in this regard.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 21:35:44 GMT

Have you used FL Studio? I suggest that you download it, and then install the "Sonitus fx" in the program. If I am using these effects on audio generated by midi, then great. However, there are no waveforms present, and I have not recorded any audio. I use MIDI (and only midi) and then simply select which "Sonitus FX" I wish to use. Then apply... I usually use Sonitus Reverb, Delay or Equalizer.

It is not so simple in Sonar, where I must bounce tracks into audio before I even have access to "Sonitus FX."

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (Susan G)

Mon, 25 May 2009 21:05:04 GMT

I have never used "Sonitus fx" on audio in FL Studio ... "Never." Not one single time. ... Only on MIDI!

Not possible, they're audio FX only. I think you're talking about using them on the audio generated by your MIDI tracks.

-Susan

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 20:55:25 GMT

I have never used "Sonitus fx" on audio in FL Studio ... "Never." Not one single time. ... Only on MIDI! Moreover, in FL Studio you can use any of their effects on either audio or midi; it makes no difference.

I find Sonar's MIDI effects to be just terrible... I end up bouncing my midi data into audio just so I can get some good effects. This is partly the reason why I find Sonar to be no good for making Electronic music or Hip-Hop/Rap beats. I just use Sonar's plugins in FL Studio for those styles of music.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (mudgel)

Mon, 25 May 2009 20:23:25 GMT

It might appear that they work on MIDI because of the way fruity loops works but i can assure you that Sonitus fx (as just one example) do not work on MIDI. It is purely an audio effect. SONAR has a range of MFX plugins which do in fact work on MIDI as they can manipulate MIDI data in certain ways, but these are not audio processors like the Sonitus fx.

If you were to use the new Instrument Tracks in SONAR (where audio and MIDI appear in one track) you can insert a reverb in there too but it still only works on the audio part not the MIDI.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (bluecafe69)

Mon, 25 May 2009 20:03:07 GMT

No, dude.

I have tried. I also notice that most Cakewalk effects do not work in FL Studio. "Sonitux" effects work in FL, and perhaps better than they do in Sonar. Why? Well, you can use them on both Audio and MIDI. Where as in Sonar you can only use them on audio.

I think FL effects are, on the whole, better than Sonar's to be honest. Sonar has a lot of cool plugins, though; and Sonar is a better program for work with audio a traditional style recording. That said, if you're looking to make beats and Electronic music, FL Studio is better than Sonar, for sure ... especially with additional VST plugins from Sonar, for example.

RE: Sonar & Fruity loops VST fx (Fog)

Mon, 25 May 2009 18:22:19 GMT

urno , can you also go into the plugins AND get the GUI up for them, some have MAY their default state set as bypass or off.