changing the tempo but not the time signature

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (...wicked)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:53:59 GMT

Yeah, either you have tempo changes in your project, or your clips are Linked Clips. Linked Clips do not (as of v7 anyway) follow tempo changes. See if your clips are linked. Especially if you copied them as I think that's the default. In which case just unlink them.

Otherwise, if you don't have tempo changes all you need to do change the tempo globally which is as stated earlier.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:14:43 GMT

Got it! Thanks.

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (lorneyb2)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:55:52 GMT

On the right side of the tempo view there is a panel that lists all the tempos that have been inserted. If you have only 1 tempo you can select and delete them(and you probably should) with the exception of the first tempo (for 1.01.000) if you are planning to change the tempo at any point, otherwise it will change back to 120 as soon as it hits the next 120 that was inserted.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:49:16 GMT

Ok guys I fixed the problem with the help of those of you who replied. tparker24 was totally right. But I didn't know how to erase the tempos until I had a chance to look at the manual today. It told me how to erase them in tempo view. I still don't know how you saw the dozens of tempos. All I see is a straight blue line. But it worked.
Thanks to all you users out there! " />

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:23:04 GMT

First of all thanks for finding the problem! Second I told all of you I just started with Sonar and i'm learning as I go. Instead of chastising me for something that somebody else said that I still don't understand it would help if you told me how to fix the problem.

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (tparker24)

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:59:45 GMT

I looked in Tempo View and see that you have dozens upon dozens of tempos set, all to 120. That makes changing the tempo to something new, very inconvenient. I suggest you delete all the tempos, except the first one. Then you can make changes in Tempo View very easily.

BTW, I believe "hellogoodbye" already suggested looking in Tempo View, numerous posts ago.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:46:42 GMT

brundlefly

This is really strange. Any chance you could share a CWP file somewhere that doesn't yet have the range of tempos inserted, and demonstrates this problem? I'm really curious what's going on.

Go here. http://rapidshare.com/files/303864274/drums_4_by_4.cwp.html

Let me know what happens once you run the file. Thanks!

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (CJaysMusic)

Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:05:28 GMT

Maybe he has different time signatures at different tempo's in one project.
Cj

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (brundlefly)

Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:37:04 GMT

Ok I guess either everyone is stumped or just tired of this thread. I don't blame you. 29 posts. (7 by me) I truly thank all of you for posting The only work around I found was to go to series of tempos and in the tempo range just put the tempo I wanted. Like 150-150.

This is really strange. Any chance you could share a CWP file somewhere that doesn't yet have the range of tempos inserted, and demonstrates this problem? I'm really curious what's going on.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (Trev Wilkins)

Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:40:03 GMT

If you just want to change the tempo globally then all you ned to do is change the figure in the tempo (or metronome) toolbar to whatever you want. This will change the whole track's tempo.

Or am I missing something?

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:52:56 GMT

Ok I guess either everyone is stumped or just tired of this thread. I don't blame you. 29 posts. (7 by me) I truly thank all of you for posting The only work around I found was to go to series of tempos and in the tempo range just put the tempo I wanted. Like 150-150. Then in the time range put the length of the song. As in from - thru.
Not what everyone said but it works. Go figure!

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:40 GMT

ok I had the audio box checked from the first recording...forgot where I read that but I did it. bvideo, thanks for the tip but I checked there too. There is only the one tempo event.

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (bvideo)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:08:30 GMT

brundlefly

I don't know what's going on, but it seems like there have been a lot of these "tempo only changes for one measure" posts lately. " />

Go to View > Tempo in the main menu. You should have one and only one tempo entry at 1:01:000. Delete any additional tempo changes. Check out pages 330-332 of the SONAR 8 Reference Guide for more info. If you still only get the desired tempo for one measure, maybe we need to talk about what synth you are driving with the MIDI.

+1 to this. Also make sure you display the tempo list in the tempo view - there's a button for that. There's where you will see extra tempo events.
Bill B

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (brundlefly)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:08:05 GMT

Reference Guide, page 830:

To Use the Audio Clock Source
1. Click on the Sync toolbar.
OR
Choose Options-Project, and click the Clock tab.
2. Check the Audio box.
3. Click OK.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:02:55 GMT

There is no audio yet. Just midi...I don't know if sonar is slaving to the QY70...I don't think so? How do I check that?
jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (brundlefly)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:38:00 GMT

Well I checked the manual like you said and the only thing I see is maybe if I went into insert series of tempos and enter the start and end time there.

Creating a series of tempos is covered in those pages, but I really meant to refer you to the pages on tempo changes in general, and the Tempo View in particular. You still haven't said what you found there...?

If you're just driving a hardware synth, that shouldn't matter. I thought you might be using a dedicated software drum synth that has its own pattern generator, and is not following the project tempo somehow. But it doesn't sound like that's the problem here.

There's no audio in this project yet, right? It's just a MIDI track? And SONAR isn't slaving to the QY70's sequencer... I hope.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:18:32 GMT

Well I checked the manual like you said and the only thing I see is maybe if I went into insert series of tempos and enter the start and end time there. As for what synth i'm using it's just a yamaha QY70 sound module.

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (brundlefly)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:57:09 GMT

I don't know what's going on, but it seems like there have been a lot of these "tempo only changes for one measure" posts lately. " />

Go to View > Tempo in the main menu. You should have one and only one tempo entry at 1:01:000. Delete any additional tempo changes. Check out pages 330-332 of the SONAR 8 Reference Guide for more info. If you still only get the desired tempo for one measure, maybe we need to talk about what synth you are driving with the MIDI.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:38:46 GMT

Ok I deleted all the cut and paste measures and did groove clips. Tempo change wiil still only go to the first markers (these guys ^ v) then it goes back to the original tempo.

And WOOD I don't have the option you mentioned in my tempo change box. It just has
"change the most recent tempo or insert a new tempo starting at:" I've tried both but no love.
jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (jimimoore)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:52:13 GMT

Hey guys I noticed something that may be a problem. I did all the tracks using cut and paste for each measure. I wasn't sure how to use groove clips as I have never worked with them before. What do you guys think?

jimi

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (CJaysMusic)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:16:17 GMT

I have written midi drum tracks and saved them in different time signatures.( I hate playing to a click!) Now how do I change the tempo for the whole "song" without it changing the time signatures? thanks in advance, jimi

Lets take another look then....How to change the tempo without changing the tine signature.. Hum???
The short answer is just change the tempo. The time signature will stay the same, cause your only changing the tempo.
Cj

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (Wood67)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:59:15 GMT

This thread is getting a bit weird, and I'm still not entirely sure what the OP is trying to achieve! If you record midi data at tempo X, then play it back at tempo Y it will play in time. That's what MIDI is all about, and has been for 20 years. Doesn't matter what tempo all the individual midi tracks were 'recorded' at. An Audio track on the other hand needs to be converted to a groove clip to track tempo changes.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (CJaysMusic)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:15:29 GMT

I think thats all he needs to do is enable it as a groove clip, but everyone seems to think im wrong. It doesnt hurt to try

Cj

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (Chris S)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:30:49 GMT

CJ is right, he needs to change individual midi clips.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (CJaysMusic)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:27:18 GMT

Yea, im confused. As always. I keep thinking audio, when its midi...
Cj

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (papa2005)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:12:46 GMT

tparker is correct. MIDI does follow tempo changes.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (tparker24)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:39:34 GMT

CJaysMusic

If you make some midi clips in a project at a tempo of 120 and trgen change the tempo to 100, the midi clips will NOT follow tempo, UNLESS you convert them to groove clipping.

Sorry, but that's just not true. I've been doing it for years. Including long before we even had groove clips.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (CJaysMusic)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:04:00 GMT

but MIDI would follow any tempo change anyway, regardless of whether it's a groove clip.

No it doesnt. You need to make it a groove clip. Only midi that has been enabled wioth groove clipping will follow tempo.
If you make some midi clips in a project at a tempo of 120 and trgen change the tempo to 100, the midi clips will NOT follow tempo, UNLESS you convert them to groove clipping.
Sorry Wood,
Cnj

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (Wood67)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:16:37 GMT

Maybe - but MIDI would follow any tempo change anyway, regardless of whether it's a groove clip. The groove clip benefits for MIDI are really just the ability to drag it out to loop.

Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature (CJaysMusic)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:34:28 GMT

Guys guys, he wants Groove clipping.
To the poster, right click your midi clip and enable it as a groove clip. this will make it follow any project tempo. yuo can also stretch the clip out for the entire lengh of the song.
Cj