"Just know now" New!!!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:24:13 GMT

I've been reading the comments the past few days, and have been itching to post...but I was also not ready to post the new mix/master until today.

Heartfelt thanks to the kind words. I learned a few new things about preserving the dynamics, and opened it up a little more. Has a nice sheen to it I think.

Just uploaded the new mix!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (jsaras)

Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:31:12 GMT

Truly a polished sounding mix all around. Great job dude!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Randy P)

Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:12:09 GMT

Great arrangement Ron. Man that slide is sooo tasty. That middle part at around 2:45 has a change in the vocal treatment that kinda tossed me for a bit, but the way you finish that part with the extended vocal note was just freakin great! Really nice work here Ron.

Randy

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Paul Russell)

Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:41:38 GMT

Don't be shy, put a compressor on that kick and bring it up into play.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Tap)

Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:13:33 GMT

Ron,
This song definitely has some special texture to it. Nicely done, Amp sounds really healthy - I've got a tiny Amp made by Kustom which has a similar tonal quality. Not sure about the Peanut butter comment, probably because this has been remixed since then. Slide sounds boss!!!!

-TAP-

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Philip)

Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:05:26 GMT

Great production.

Vox could be a little clearer (@2kHz) (words are not clear) ... could be my cheap computer speakers (my studio is down)

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (conflicting)

Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:39:07 GMT

ya that home made tube amp sounds great for recording! very nice production. I feel like the vox should be just a decibel louder ?? very good sound though

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Scottytunes)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:12:35 GMT

Second listen.....Yep ya dun gud! All sounds very nice over here except the vocals (as Beagle said) need to come forward in the mix more.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Beagle)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:04 GMT

Nice job, Ron!

I think the vox are a little low in the mix, they get a little lost - pretty much all of the other instruments overpower them.

nice job , tho!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:55:48 GMT

No, it wasn't you. I tried a little mastering in Ozone, and didn't hear the bass until it was on soundclick already. I went through the mix again, so I played with the drums some more. This time I was a little more careful with the mastering. I uploaded it last night.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Slow Marching Band)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:28:07 GMT

Very good song Ron, I enjoyed this a lot. Lovely, filthy slide sound, can't resist that " />. Mix-wise it sounds a little narrow, and something in the low end (kick drum?) is clipping (unless it's my ears)

Superb guitar work throughout, and a really well-written song.

James

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Mully)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:03:08 GMT

That's great Ron... really liked it and is that some Eagles influence there in parts?

I reckon redo the vocals without the cold coz your vocal is gonna get that bit of edge that's being robbed by the boogers and blocked nose I reckon. Vocal almost sounds too 'nice' as though you're focusing on getting diction through the moist nostril canals. Redone vocal has potential to be killer on this song if this take is anything to go by.

Ending sounded like it kind of just cut out too... was expecting one of those cool fade outs (normally left for songs that players don't know how to finish) coz it would have suited with that cool slide happening etc...

Thanks for the share... was cool.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:28:56 GMT

jamesyoyo

I really liked the beginning. I wasn't sure where you were going once the electrics came in, but it works. This is a pretty great song, so my critiques are on the mix only.

The drums sound well played but buried and lifeless in the mix. No sense of stereo excitement with them.

On the first organ solo I noticed a drop in the relative volume of the drums. Could be compression kicking in. One way I avoid this is to never send anything directly to the master bus. When you have compressors running on all the busses you hardly ever get that huge dip (unless you want it of course!). And make sure the total of all the busses going to master bus doesn't exceed -6 db. This way when final compression is applied you have enough headroom to dynamically bump up and not hit the -0db ceiling.

The bass is kinda dull and lacks definition. Which stinks cuz it underpins the tune really nice.

I hear a lot sibilance ducking, but way too much. Sounds like you have peanut butter on the roof of your mouth when you sang (which I am pretty sure was not the case!).

You know, I'm glad you said something. It's the snare....ugh.

I'm using EZ Drummer. For some reason The snare changes to a different snare at a certain part of the song. I see why you think it gets compressed. The snare starts with a nice crack to a lifeless thud. I took some steps to mask it with a remix (also worked on the vox more) and posted it up.

I may have to go fix that snare...it can be done...just really tedious!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (bshehan)

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:48:51 GMT

Really like the song. Nice work. I agree with jamesyoyo on the peanut butter/roof of your mouth thing. I had the same thought in a couple of parts. But overall, I thought it sounded great.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (jamesyoyo)

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:28:24 GMT

I really liked the beginning. I wasn't sure where you were going once the electrics came in, but it works. This is a pretty great song, so my critiques are on the mix only.

The drums sound well played but buried and lifeless in the mix. No sense of stereo excitement with them.

On the first organ solo I noticed a drop in the relative volume of the drums. Could be compression kicking in. One way I avoid this is to never send anything directly to the master bus. When you have compressors running on all the busses you hardly ever get that huge dip (unless you want it of course!). And make sure the total of all the busses going to master bus doesn't exceed -6 db. This way when final compression is applied you have enough headroom to dynamically bump up and not hit the -0db ceiling.

The bass is kinda dull and lacks definition. Which stinks cuz it underpins the tune really nice.

I hear a lot sibilance ducking, but way too much. Sounds like you have peanut butter on the roof of your mouth when you sang (which I am pretty sure was not the case!).

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:04:23 GMT

Any comments on the final mix?

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:04:42 GMT

Well, I think it's polished decent. I got rid of the clicks from the compressor on the vox. What took me the most time was de-noisying the mix. Had a lot of trimming to do, and used a volume envelope on the bass like a gate to remove an nasy buzzing from electrical interference...and yes, it was super-time consuming!

I think the new mix sounds a lot smoother. It was a lot of effort for such a subtle difference, but I'm glad I did it.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (blipp)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:12:43 GMT

This made me think of Fleetwood mack, especially wheen your vocals came in as they sounded like Lyndsey Buckingham in parts.

Your guitar sounds absolutely fantastic, nice playing too.

Can't find anything major to criticise really, it's a very solid piece of work. Very well done.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Thatsastrat)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:02:05 GMT

Nicely done sir. Home built amp you say?
It has good bite and grit for that slide part.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (jsaras)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:30:09 GMT

There's nothing "wrong" with this. I personally prefer the vocals more up front in the mix.

What are you using for bus compression? I think the mix could be a little more glued together.

Peace,
J

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Tap)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:20:55 GMT

Wow Ron ..... I thoroughly enjoying listening to this one. No vocals ? ... Oh, there they are .... Nice " /> Nice little change up. very nice slide guitar. I like the harmonics ( or are they ? - Mandolin??? Cool) Very nice sound quality ... I'll attribute that to your choice in amplification.

-TAP-

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (spacey)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:35:13 GMT

Ron, I got a chance to listen yesterday and totally enjoyed it.

Although I enjoyed everything very much your vocal work was very good to my ears.

Great job!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:29:28 GMT

Yeah, I answered back. I think it's due to the manufaturing techniques back then, and it being in one place all the time. I've seen many a cone from '65 through '75 that were just completely shot, but mid '50s cones just perfect. I already sold that amp, but I have 4 more tube amps sitting here ready to be turned in to guitar amps!

I was up pretty late cleaning all the junk from the mix, and tightened up the vocals a lot. I'm going to try and post it later when it's done depending on how much I can actually work on it.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (foxwolfen)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:43:54 GMT

I am not sure if I posted about the amp in that thread or not, but I was most impressed (oh yah, now I remember, I was wondering how the paper stood up over all those years - did you answer that?).

This is great. Vox are great. That tone is awesome, glad I got to hear it.

No complaints. Mix is great.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (jedipunk)

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:52:57 GMT

Really well mixed and each instrument compliments each other well, great guitar playing and nice lead guitar. Cheers

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:33:03 GMT

Yeah, the siblance is off the charts...partly because I have a ton of compression and gain too. The low breathy vocals are tough on my condenser, and it's been a challenge. I am working on volume envelopes to fix it this evening. Mostly because I was hearing a lot of noise and pops in the vocals too.

What I need is a better microphone now, I'm trying to wrap my head around all the choices in the range I'm trying to stay in.

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (alkie)

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:00:32 GMT

Great Tune...glad i read you have a cold ....my little gripe was there`s alot of "SSS sibilance that I`ve never heard in your vox previously...Still it sounds Great!!!!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Scottytunes)

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:13:14 GMT

Nice! Great vibe with a good flow. Sounds like a babbling brook in the beginning. Then I can picture a tour across a panoramic countryside. Awesome!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (evadianepug)

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:17:30 GMT

Hey, Ron, I really like this tune. Interesting instruments. Love the slide!!

Re:"Just know now" New!!! (Ron Vogel)

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:45:52 GMT

Bit of a bump for the night crew....