do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface?

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (PH68)

Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:01:04 GMT

I always turn on any audio & midi stuff, then PC, then open up Sonar.

Power down is just the reverse.

Never had any issues.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (SF_Green)

Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:22:57 GMT

bitflipper

For my firewire interface, the opposite is true: the interface must be booted before the computer is or I'll have no sound. Turning the interface off will permanently disable sound until I reboot. This, I think, is due to the more primitive relationship Windows has with Firewire, which is not as tightly integrated as USB. This, of course, is precisely why Firewire performs so well: Windows keeps its nose out of FW's business.

Must be your interface drivers, Bit. My fireface can go on and off and work fine. I often don't turn it on until windows is booted up.
But +1 on our last comment!
cheers

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (F@ker)

Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:47:58 GMT

if you're one of those, read the first and last post people:

1. boot
2. power hardware
3. Open Sonar
make noise
4. Close Sonar
5. power down hardware
6. shut'er down

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (CJaysMusic)

Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:07:39 GMT

Ok now I'm going to reverse the question and inquire about when you're powering down. So do you exit out and close Sonar first or should you power down your equipment, controllers, audio interface first?

You just reverse the order when powering up.
Close sonar first. You never turn your audio interface off when sonar is open or your asking for trouble, then shut your monitors off (so you wont hear any clicks when you turn the audio interface off) AND Then turn your audio interface off and midi controllers.
Cj

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (syntheticpop)

Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:51:20 GMT

Ok now I'm going to reverse the question and inquire about when you're powering down. So do you exit out and close Sonar first or should you power down your equipment, controllers, audio interface first?

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (bitflipper)

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:49:36 GMT

Windows 7 is great, bitflipper, maybe it's time you updated to the new OS?

Hey, I'd still be on MS-DOS if it was a viable option. Cakewalk 1.0 was completely stable!

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (gtgarner)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:53:35 GMT

Well, I'm running MIDI In/Out through my TC Konnect Firewire Audio Interface. In that case - It clearly does not matter if I connect Midi before or after Sonar.

Of course my TC Konnect Firewire Audio Interface has to be on and ready before Sonar boots.

I absolutely HATE using usb for MIDI. OldSkool MIDI In/Out is extremely forgiving.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (gswitz)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:01:03 GMT

Random Truth: If I have my audio device plugged in and turned on before plugging in microphones it goes whack and fails to function for hours. Leaving it off over night it recovers.

So I plug in mics to m-audio fast track ultra, boot computer, power on fast track ultra, launch Sonar.

I have no idea why it did that to me the one time it did, but I have no interest in losing a session due to a cheapo device not working.

And also, my old Tascam 2488 handles digital clips much better than the fast track ultra. I still like making recordings with that better than the Fast Track Ultra and the laptop. The only drawback to the tascam is I can't see the wave forms over time. I just get meters showing the levels now. This is insufficient for adjusting the levels when I'm playing along with everyone else and fixing levels after the song. I often turn them down until they never clip (including when they open a beer infront of the mic) which is less level than I can safely have.

:-)

Bye.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (John)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:42:52 GMT

I still always power on every device needed for Sonar before I start Sonar. Don't have any problems doing it that way.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (mosspa)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:34:06 GMT

Crg

Curious thing though. The PCR-800 midi-keyboard controller instructs you to not plug the controller in until after you've booted up the computer as doing so could cause malfunction of the mouse and keyboard. I always power up everything and boot the DAW. I'm wondering if just not turning the PCR on before booting will do just as good.

Craig,

I've got a PCR-500 and it is powered by USB, so consequently it is always on because of the USB power pass through. This is on my all-purpose desktop, not my DAW. It has been set up this way for well over a year and both my mouse. and kbd as well as the PCR-500 all continue to operate flawlessly.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (thomasabarnes)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:32:06 GMT

For my firewire interface, the opposite is true: the interface must be booted before the computer is or I'll have no sound. Turning the interface off will permanently disable sound until I reboot. This, I think, is due to the more primitive relationship Windows has with Firewire,

You must be still using Windows XP. I'm using Windows 7 Evaluation Copy build 7100, and with my MOTU Ultralite-mk3, windows will recognize when I turn it on. I can turn it on and off as musch as I want, and windows will recognize it when I do. Once recognized, I have audio, if I have one of the MOTU outputs selected as the windows default playback device.

Windows 7 is great, bitflipper, maybe it's time you updated to the new OS?

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (CJaysMusic)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:25:27 GMT

That's very interesting CJ. I take it you leave it plugged in and powered off during boot up? USB or Midi In/Out?

Yea and whne i want to use it, i just turn the power switch on and soanr see's it. Thats a new 8.5 feature and i like it.

Its USB and Midi Connected. I have the usb goin into my pc and the 5pin midi going into my Ketron SD4 and my Emu Turbo Phatt Outboard synths
I use the USB power and not a wall wart for my midi interface
Cj

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (strikinglyhandsome1)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:24:34 GMT

Is that across the board with midi interfaces?

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (Crg)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:20:15 GMT

CJaysMusic

was surprised to discover that if I power-up my PCR-800 after I have loaded Sonar, Sonar still recognises it and asks if I want to use it.
with the new version of sonar, its able to recognize midi interfaces, but not audio interfaces after sonar is on. Its a new feature implemented in the new sonar version
Cj
Edit, aww Papa said the same as i just read it after posting mine
cj

That's very interesting CJ. I take it you leave it plugged in and powered off during boot up? USB or Midi In/Out?

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (bitflipper)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:07:21 GMT

The PCR-800 midi-keyboard controller instructs you to not plug the controller in until after you've booted up the computer as doing so could cause malfunction of the mouse and keyboard.

Sometimes it's necessary to boot up completely before plugging in a USB device, so that Windows Plug 'n Play is active to recognize that you've plugged something in, and/or the device's driver is loaded. For most devices, that's only necessary the first time you use it. I've never had an issue with USB devices, even when unplugging them and plugging them back in. USB is pretty convenient that way.

For my firewire interface, the opposite is true: the interface must be booted before the computer is or I'll have no sound. Turning the interface off will permanently disable sound until I reboot. This, I think, is due to the more primitive relationship Windows has with Firewire, which is not as tightly integrated as USB. This, of course, is precisely why Firewire performs so well: Windows keeps its nose out of FW's business.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (CJaysMusic)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:51:13 GMT

was surprised to discover that if I power-up my PCR-800 after I have loaded Sonar, Sonar still recognises it and asks if I want to use it.

with the new version of sonar, its able to recognize midi interfaces, but not audio interfaces after sonar is on. Its a new feature implemented in the new sonar version
Cj
Edit, aww Papa said the same as i just read it after posting mine
cj

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (papa2005)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:07:52 GMT

ssilverm

I was surprised to discover that if I power-up my PCR-800 after I have loaded Sonar, Sonar still recognises it and asks if I want to use it.

Steve S.

That feature was just recently (8.3?) introduced in SONAR. The capability to "hot-swap" audio & MIDI devices without exiting the program.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (DonM)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:02:16 GMT

For me it depends on the interface:

My Yamaha O1x - I must power that on before the computer - then the computer - then mLan starts - then I initialize the the O1X - then start Sonar - sounds painful but it's worth it - I still love my O1x.

My presonus FireStudio must come on after Windows boots and after any FW drives - then I turn it on.

My M-audio interfaces are FW bus powered so the OS deals with that on its own.

My MOTU gear seems not to work better (or worse) before or after the OS loads.

The Digi hardware needs to be up before the OS

And so far the RME stuff doesnt' seem to care.

-D

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (ssilverm)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:04 GMT

I was surprised to discover that if I power-up my PCR-800 after I have loaded Sonar, Sonar still recognises it and asks if I want to use it.

Steve S.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (strikinglyhandsome1)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:22:51 GMT

syntheticpop

ok, thanks for the replies. my interface also came with a control surface software that i noticed floats over Sonar. so do i also have to open that program before opening Sonar? Is there also a way for me to open it within Sonar?

You need to launch the interface and controllers etc first so Sonar can see it. That's the reason. The software should be fine. It would have loaded when you booted up anyway.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (Crg)

Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:32:21 GMT

syntheticpop

ok, thanks for the replies. my interface also came with a control surface software that i noticed floats over Sonar. so do i also have to open that program before opening Sonar? Is there also a way for me to open it within Sonar?

Crg since you brought up the PCR controller, do you have to unplug it each time you power off your computer then plug it back in once your computer is on?

I haven't installed the drivers yet. Right now I'm just using it as a second set of keys connected via the Midi router <-- ( no USB ). The default setting on the PCR from the factory has Dynamic Mapping enabled. Without the drivers installed it doesn't even show up as a controller. As long as I don't use any knobs or sliders it's fine and note entry works perfectly. I've been turning the PCR on first with everything else Once the drivers are installed the manual instructs you to start the computer with it unpluged. Might be a slightly different problem as John suggested but odd still the same. It might not even be a problem in Win 7. Hopefully I'll get the drivers installled this week and see what the real skinny is.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (syntheticpop)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:24:07 GMT

ok, thanks for the replies. my interface also came with a control surface software that i noticed floats over Sonar. so do i also have to open that program before opening Sonar? Is there also a way for me to open it within Sonar?

Crg since you brought up the PCR controller, do you have to unplug it each time you power off your computer then plug it back in once your computer is on?

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (A1MixMan)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:15:34 GMT

bitflipper

And if you'll be powering up the blender to make margaritas, do that first, before the interface and before even booting up your computer.

Bitflipper, you didn't really need to tell him that, doesn't everybody start the margaritas first?

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (John)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:16:15 GMT

I think that is a different issue. We are talking about starting Sonar. You need to to have everything on and as CJ pointed out loaded for Sonar to see it.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (Crg)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:06:43 GMT

Curious thing though. The PCR-800 midi-keyboard controller instructs you to not plug the controller in until after you've booted up the computer as doing so could cause malfunction of the mouse and keyboard. I always power up everything and boot the DAW. I'm wondering if just not turning the PCR on before booting will do just as good.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (CJaysMusic)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:45:46 GMT

And if you'll be powering up the blender to make margaritas, do that first, before the interface and before even booting up your computer.

Sometimes i turn the interface on before the blender and im stuck waiting for my fruity, but delicious alcoholic beverage. It puts a dmaper on my session..

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (bitflipper)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:43:42 GMT

And if you'll be powering up the blender to make margaritas, do that first, before the interface and before even booting up your computer.

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (CJaysMusic)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:15:57 GMT

Si, always power on audio devices and mid controller before starting sonar. And you need to make sure that its not only on before starting sonar. You need to make sure its (loaded) before soanr starts. Just turning them on first wont do it, if you turn on your interface, then 1 second later start sonar. You need to wait until windows See's all the devices
Cj

Re:do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (John)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:04:18 GMT

Always power the audio and any other devices before starting Sonar.

do you suppose to open Sonar first or power on the audio interface? (syntheticpop)

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:00:21 GMT

very curious as to the order of opening Sonar and powering on the audio interface.