plug-in question

Re:plug-in question (Beagle)

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:41:52 GMT

all DAWs are the same and they are all different. " />

the only reason "people" tell you to use PT is because that's the name they've heard. it's the industry standard for large studios. the PC version of PT is no better or worse than sonar.

telling someone they need to use PT instead of sonar is like teling someone they must have Aeropstale jeans instead of Levi's. they both are denim, they both cover your a$$ but one of them costs hundreds of dollars more than the other because of the name.

each DAW has its strengths and weaknesses. each DAW has the basics covered but they all do some things a little differently from each other. there will always be a learning curve no matter which DAW you choose. none of them are completely intuitive and they each take time to learn. granted for some people one DAW might be more intuitive than another - that's a personal workflow type decision and no one can make that for you - you simply have to try out the different ones to figure out what is more intuitive to you.

personally I can't imagine moving from sonar to PT unless there was something I knew that PT did which sonar doesn't do or doesn't do well. why invest money in one DAW just to switch to another because of "branding"?

just my 2 centavos. I'm rockin' on! " />

Re:plug-in question (mcourter)

Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:12:12 GMT

I'm with Kalle R on this one. I spent weeks reading before I ever tried using Sonar, and it was time well spent. And I can't imagine Pro Tools is any easier.

Re:plug-in question (bobernaut)

Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:52:38 GMT

Hi there Kalle, to answer your question, everytime I ask about Sonar or practically any other similar DAW the response is always the same, "You should use Pro Tools. " I have asked why they say this and they usually say that its simplier and easier to use. I don't know if that's true or not, but according to these folks, it is.
Also, EM magazine interviews almost always say that the artist used Pro Tools and almost never does an artist say that they use Sonar or Cakewalk or whatever other name it goes by.
The book I use has only about 500 pages and is generally fine most of the time. I come here to speed the process up so I can get back to work rather than reading manuals. Wish I did have the time to read manuals and watch tutorials-but I don't unfortunately.
Luckily, there are some very kind people here who have helped tremendously. Beagle will always be top-notch in my book! Keep on rockin' Beagle.

thanks,

bob

Re:plug-in question (Kalle Rantaaho)

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:40:28 GMT

What makes you think the learning curve in Pro Tools would be any easier?? Any software, which is complicated enough to require a manual of over 1000 pages, takes a lot of studying to master.
Spend 1-2 weeks just reading the manual and doing the tutorials, and many things get clear.

Re:plug-in question (bobernaut)

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:41:44 GMT

Thanks for taking the time to answer this guys, I do appreciate it.

To begin, I think Greg got me fixed up on this one, I just needed to add another folder-I guess. I messed with it and now I seem to be able to add what I want to. This, believe it or not, was what I meant by a "primer". I don't think that I will ever get the hang of Sonar. Why, oh why didn't I just get ProTools like everyone else?

Anyway, I'll copy and paste all that stuff you told me Beagle-I am beginning to get a fairly large file of your help that I go to sometimes.
It takes me a long time to digest everything you tell me, but this is only with Sonar or Cakewalk or whatever it is. Everything else I pretty much get pretty quickly. Such is life.

To answer a couple of your questions, It doesn't say anything suggesting that I can't add anymore, it is just apparent. At least by the way I operate-which probably isn't right.

I actually understand what you say about the fx bin-no problem there. I probably just didn't articulate it very well.

I tried adding another folder (as if I had any idea what I was doing ) and fairly quickly I had access to my master limiter again. I went to a couple of other projects and tried adding in the same way and it worked.

I apologize for the butchered terminology, I don't know all the names and such like some folks do, but still, I guess you understood well enough.

Thanks for your help Greg and Beagle. This is the only place I can come to and get good tech help. I would love to help myself but I just ain't got the brains for it as of yet.

Again thanks, I'll be back I'm sure...

Bob

Re:plug-in question (Beagle)

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:52:37 GMT

So, as silly as this probably is, when I try to access the plug-in that I want, I can add no more additional one's in this way, because, apparently, there is no more room to add one.

remember that we can't see what you see. why is there no more room to add another? does a message pop up and say "you can't do this" does it just not add anything when you try? are you sure it isn't added below the other ones?

BTW - this is NOT the plugin manager, what you're describing is the FX bin. that's the correct terminology, the plugin manager is where you manage which plugins are available IN that menu.

as far as not being able to get rid of plugins to add new ones. that's a big statement. here's why:

if you have plugins in the FX bin then they are being used. if you are not wanting to use the ones at the top, then you have to delete them in order to prevent them from being used (or turn them off/bypass them, but there's no point in that if you don't want them at all).

so if you have plugins in the FX bin that you aren't using then click on them and then hit the delete key on your keyboard (or just right click on the plugin and select DELETE from the pop up menu).

as far as moving them around in the FX bin - just click drag and drop! that is how you re-order them in the FX bin.

Re:plug-in question (bobernaut)

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 03:05:36 GMT

Hi guys, thanks for the reply. I am terrible at some of this stuff. Stuff like plug-ins, which I know should be easy (probably), but I still over-think it I imagine.
Anyway, I'm interested in what you said Greg-that sounds like what I'm wanting, but still, I see difficulties ahead for my poor brain.
Would I just click new folder as you would with Microsoft Windows and go that route? I'll try it, maybe I can do it, who knows.

Beagle, to answer you, I have many plug-ins. I use typically as many as I need-usually around 5 to 8. I do Industrial, techno metal usually.

Here it is again. Maybe more clear this time.

When I right click in the fx bin, a window pops up which says, " plug-ins layout" at the very top. If I look down right after that it says, " Divx ACC Decoder ".
Continuing on, there is sonix eq, cakewalk, cyberlink, WMT.
After this section and continuing down the line is where I used to go to find this master limiter plug-in. I experiemented with some new plug-ins and these 3 plug-ins now reside where once was my master limiter plug-in. In case you are wondering, the 3 plug-ins are the fish fillets.
There is also another master limiter plug-in residng there but it is not the one I want to use.

So, as silly as this probably is, when I try to access the plug-in that I want, I can add no more additional one's in this way, because, apparently, there is no more room to add one.

So, as I have said, I'm trying to find out how to easily move these plug-ins around as I see fit. I can't figure out out to do this. When I try to add a new one or replace an existing plug-in ( in the way that I mentioned ) nothing happens.

I am fairly certain that I am not doing this the right way, although it works just fine and has for many years.
Does it sound as though I am managing these plug-ins the right way? Like I said, it works fine, but I can't seems to get rid of some plug-ins in this manner or add new one's. I hope this helps you out.

Let me know if you got anything out of this.

Thanks,

bob

Re:plug-in question (Beagle)

Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:26:23 GMT

how many plugins do you have? what is the name of this limiter that got moved out?

when you say it happened after you pulled up some new plugins, what exactly do you mean by that? when you installed new plugins? only new installations should affect the plugin manager.

Re:plug-in question (57Gregy)

Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:28:20 GMT

I've never done it because I have/use so few plug-ins, but you can arrange them in folders and use different layouts. Theoretically, you can make a folder, drag your favorite, most-used plug-ins into it, and really streamline the process.

plug-in question (bobernaut)

Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:54:31 GMT

Hello everyone, thanks for reading this entry. I hope someone can help with this.

I'm using XP with Sonar HS 6.

My problem is this:
I continue to struggle with the plug-in manager and assigning plug-ins. I know this is most likely a failure to comprehend how Sonar really works-I can't seem to get this into my noggin.

I am trying to assign a master limiter plug-in that I have used frequently, but now, after pulling up some new plug-ins, there doesn't seem to be "room" for it on the far right side where you see the plug-ins that can be used.

When I pull up VST effects, on the far left side, then I can see it listed in the center area. From here, I don't truly know what to do to bring it over to the far right side.
The irritating thing is that it appears to "go over" to the far right-meaning I add it and can see it, but when I try to use it in a project, it isn't there.

Could someone who knows , please create a very brief primer that works everytime?

I can sometimes get this to work but don't know what it is that I have done differently that added it to the far right side.

I also have some stuff over on the far right that I have no idea what it does but it is taking up a "slot" where this master limiter once was. Can I add more "slots" or is it limited to the number that I currently have?

sorry if this was confusing, I can try again to explain this if necessary, but I imagine that someone knows this well enough to see the problem.

thanks for your help,

bob