adding fx to a particular area in the mix

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Razor59)

Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:41:40 GMT

jonesy and bitflipper..thank u both. It worked a treat.Tried both alternatives...with the split still in the track,and dragging the split into its own track. have a great weekend..cheers

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Razor59)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:55:41 GMT

tanx bitflipper..I'll check it out. Got some some info from bristol jonesy also,so with the 2 lots of infos I'm on the right 'track'....tanx again/ray

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Razor59)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:54:03 GMT

tanx jonesy...I'll try it- get back 2 u if it goes all wrong...cheers/Ray

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (bitflipper)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:37:00 GMT

I can obviously send a track to a bus and I can add an effect to th ebus but if I increase the volume of that buss, the whole track volume is increased / decreased.

The trick here is when you use a bus strictly for an effect, the effect is usually 100% wet. That way, when you raise the bus volume you're only raising the reverb/delay/distortion/whatever amount and not the main signal. Overall volume still goes up a little, and if the effect is very prominent you may need to automate the dry signal and bring it down accordingly. But for reverb that's rarely necessary.

Another alternative is to not put the bus in parallel with the track, but in series. For example, you might run all your vocals to a common bus and put a reverb there as an insert effect. Then you'd automate the reverb's wet/dry mix, thus avoiding any volume changes. Nearly all reverbs have a wet/dry mix control. This method can get cumbersome with some effects.

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (bitflipper)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:29:10 GMT

Experimentation is not only allowed, it's compulsory.

Jonesey, you're on a roll this week!

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (bitflipper)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:27:23 GMT

...do I have to 'move' it to it's own track,or is it ok to leave it 'clipped' within the track?

Leave it in the track. That's why I suggested option #1. Splitting a part into two tracks just makes mixing more complicated.

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (dissfigured)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:59:23 GMT

Could you walk me through how that is done. I have been researching a bit, and I can obviously send a track to a bus and I can add an effect to th ebus but if I increase the volume of that buss, the whole track volume is increased / decreased. So my 2 part question: 1. How do I create a bus/send that just applies the effect to the track but not control the volume of the track 2. How to I automate the effect? Thanks in advance.

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Bristol_Jonesey)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:41:12 GMT

Absolutely no reason why you shouldn't do this!

I've got a section in my album project where one song fades into another one.

The end of the first track is, by today's standards, quite awash with reverb, but the following song is quite dry, so I automated the send to the reverb so that it gradually dries up over the length of a power chord.

Experimentation is not only allowed, it's compulsory.

And fun!

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (dissfigured)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:44:46 GMT

Hopefully not hijacking but expanding a bit. Is there a way to gradually increase / decrease an effect? Option number 2 led me to this question. Not sure if there is a way but could you have an effect gradually applied over a few seconds versus on and off?

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Bristol_Jonesey)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:45:11 GMT

If you've split the section you want the delay to its own clip and inserted a delay into the Clip Fx bin then there's nothing else that needs to be done, other than tweaking the delay parameters to get the effect you want.

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Razor59)

Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:27:02 GMT

hi bitflipper....tanx for the info. One question. The clip with the trumpet,do I have to 'move' it to it's own track,or is it ok to leave it 'clipped' within the track?? And if so, should i just save the track as usual when the delay is added..thanks/Ray

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (bitflipper)

Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:03:53 GMT

Option 1 may sound more complicated, but it's actually the best way to do it.

Determine where you want the delay to start, and where you want it to end. At the starting point, right-click on the clip and select "Split". Repeat for the ending point. You can use Undo (CTL-Z) if you don't get it split at the right place on the first try.

Now your delayed trumpet part is in its own clip, and you can add the delay to just that clip. Each clip has its own FX bin, which works exactly like a track FX bin except it only applies to that clip. Right-click on the newly-isolated trumpet clip and select "Open FX Bin". Drop in your delay plugin just like you would in a track FX bin.

You'll probably also want to add slip-fades where the clip was split, so that the cut is not audible. That's a simple matter of placing your mouse over the end of a clip in the upper half of the clip (the mouse pointer will change to a triangle) and dragging from the end of the clip inward. The fade can be quite short and still do the trick.

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Razor59)

Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:32:27 GMT

hi again bristol....point 4 sounds the easiest??so u mean that the 'split' part will be lika another track.I add the delay on this. But won't the split bit be deleted from the original track?

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Razor59)

Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:16:46 GMT

hello bristol,tanx.sounds a bit complicated...i'm at this a few months and havn't mastered the terms. By bus ,do mean another track,or a bus in the same track??(trumpet track),,I'v also tried adding the delay during the palyback and doing bypass when I don't need the delay,and recording at the same time...but e´when I túrn the bypass off again ,the delay is still on when I paly it back,so it's on nearly the whole track

Re:adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Bristol_Jonesey)

Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:09:42 GMT

Several ways.

On the section of the trumpet track where you want the delay, split it at either end so that it's in its own clip. Now open the Clip Fx bin, put your delay in there.
Put a delay on a buss, set up a send to the bus from the trumpet track and automate the send so it goes from -INF to the level you want, then back down to -INF
Same as 2 but automate the bus volume, again up from -INF to the desired level & back down again
Split the clip to isolate the trumpet part you want delay on, move it to another [new] track and use method 2 without automation

adding fx to a particular area in the mix (Razor59)

Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:59:07 GMT

hello all- wonder if anyone can help me. I'm using sonar 8.5 producer. I recorded a song with 3 tracks. I had reverb on all the tracks when i did the recording. My question is ,how does one add ,for example ,a delay fx,to just a 30 sec part of one of the tracks ,in the mix.,and then be able to save it. I've looked in the manual and could only find help adding fx to the whole track or the whole mix. This is just a 30 sec area on the trumpet track in the mix . Any ideas.would be greatly appreciated.Tanx/Ray