New to P5 has samples question.

RE: New to P5 has samples question. (blakflag)

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:48:21 GMT

Thanks for all your input. For now I have decided to use the DS-864 as many of you recommended. Once I got a "pattern" down, it was not too hard to load it up with samples. And once I had it all set, it started paying off immediately.. the increased control over the samples gave me some good ideas. It was quite a blast to "jam" with them even over a simple beat. I still hope they come up with a "batch import" for the next version ;)

If/when I come up with some "worthy" material, I'll let you all hear it.

RE: New to P5 has samples question. (b rock)

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:55:39 GMT

Welcome to the forum, Eric. The first thought that came to mind in answering your question is the same as Bob's: using the DS864. I know; it's a bit of a hassle mapping 20-30 samples across in the sample editor, and it sure would be simpler to just drag 'n' drop them. But the advantages are that you're not limited to one-minute .wav files, and that you can do some extreme processing 'in-house' while routing the results to eight different outputs. You can then set up eight FX chains for each output to augment the 8 processed 'streams', and further sub-mix those in the 4 Aux busses.

But I'll also offer you some alternative approaches. How about using two instances of Cyclone? That'll give you 32 pads to work with, each with (potentially) its own output? With careful mapping, you could trigger both instances from a single MIDI contrller (and MIDI channel), and reserve a different MIDI note# for each sample. In a similar vein, you can use two instances of Velocity, and trigger your samples from the 36 pads available to you; mapping them in the same fashion. Here you'll be limited to routing to 5 outputs (per instance), but that drum synth has a more natural feel to it IMO for sample triggering.

One more way would be to load the samples into 30 tracks of the Groove Player, and use MIDI Remote Control (say, with Note On) to bring the track volumes in & out. But there are many disadvantages to this procedure. First, CPU usage. The MIDI Remote control will also swing your levels from Inf. to +6dB, which will cause distortion without some careful post-mixing. You'll be limited to 1-minute .wavs here, and with 30 GPs, you're just asking for a corrupt file due to the Groove Player "non-bug".

The truncated files that you've experienced might be from using one-shot [non-Acidized] .wavs which don't neatly conform to the ".wav pattern" container. Have you tried dragging the end of the .wav in the Tracker? As for a third-party solution, the one that comes up most often is sfz from rgc:audio. You can't get that kind of quality any more inexpensively than with this one [it's free]. HTH

RE: New to P5 has samples question. (Digital Aura)

Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:19:02 GMT

yea...limitation on ONE minute clips of wav!

That is... until April. Looks like we'll be able to render whatever we want audio wise come the new version. AND... you 'll be able to trigger wavs as you wish using the new groove pad thingy. It looks like just what you are asking for!

So...dont spend anything til April!" />

RE: New to P5 has samples question. (techead)

Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:17:29 GMT

Eric, welcome to the forum family!

Given only tools within the base Project5 I am of the opinion that DS864 would be your best bet.

We've had some discussions in the last few months that uncovered some great information for using DS864 and loading it up with samples. My experience so far has been very positive with it and it has not be as tedious and difficult as I might have thought.

B Rock has some good information about using the DS864 as a wave player as well in some recent discussions on this forum. I'm sure he'll chime in here with suggestions.

-Techead

New to P5 has samples question. (blakflag)

Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:47:02 GMT

Hi all,

I'm brand new to Project 5, I love it for the most part but I have one question. I would like to put in a bunch of samples into my song.. not "grooves", but sound bites, noises, etc. Let's say up to 20 - 30 per song max.

I thought Id use cyclone but I have too much for the loop bin... if only they could extend to more pads. It seems like they're expecting one to be using rhythm samples also.

Setting up the DS864 seems overkill, I just want simple sample triggering, not velocity splits etc. Plus you have to go find each sample individually. Why cant you just drag them on the DS864 work area? Is there a shortcut for this process?

Or would just dragging them on the tracker be my best bet? Some of them might be long WAV files. What limitations would I come up against? I already experienced some trouble where the end of my sample was truncated (to fit a measure?) Ideally I might want to use some per sample effects or mangle them or whatnot.

Is there a "best" way to do this and keep it organized, or if there's a inexpensive third party plugin custom fit for this I'm all ears.

Thanks for any ideas.