Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (John T)

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:15:31 GMT

ORIGINAL: Mod Bod

ORIGINAL: jonboper

Thanks for the reply Jesse G, and yeah, I think I've got that part down, though it's still pretty strange/new/cool. But what about using Sound Forge effects in real time, e.g. right-click on the FX bin, scroll through the options, insert a Sound Forge effect (they all show there as options for me), and play the song and tweak the effect.

I just get dropouts when I try to do this. Sound Forge effects don't work for me in real time...But this is working for you, or no? It just seems like it would be really cool to be able to use the Sound Forge effects like this.

Sound Forge effects have always been hit or miss in Cakewalk products. I don't suggest using them.

I've used "Simple Delay" in I think pretty much every project I've done for the last four years or so. It does exactly what it says it does, really handy effect.

Anyway, Sound Forge. I've been using it for 12 years, and I really like it a lot. But with every year's DAW improvements, I think it gets less and less essential. You really couldn't get by in Cakewalk Pro Audio and the first couple of versions of Sonar without it, just to do some proper editing of audio clips. I find myself using it less and less often. It's still unbeatable when I do need it though.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (garrigus)

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:50:25 GMT

Yes, the latest version of Sound Forge (version 9) has a lot going for it since it includes the Noise Reduction software as well as the mastering plug-ins from iZotope...

* [url="http://www.garrigus.com/musictechshop/index.asp?ID=Sound%20Forge"]Sony Sound Forge Audio Editing Software[/url]

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RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (aaronk)

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:21:48 GMT

SF is a dedicated audio-editing program. SONAR has some audio editing features, which may suffice for some projects. SF simply has more.

I use SF frequently for:

(1) Fine-grained audio splicing

(2) Loop creation for use in samplers

(3) Noise reduction when importing audio from old cassettes or LP's

(4) Diagnostics (frequency analysis, location of isolated clips, etc.)
SF also has a neat clipped peak restoration tool for use on occasional stray overs.

(5) I use various SF effects when the SF effect is what I need. The convolution reverb ("Acoustic Mirror") comes with a huge bunch of impulses. The time- and pitch- shifting tools are pretty powerful. The fades in SF are often more to my taste than those in SONAR. Etc.

SF also allows files to be saved in a way that allows undo even after closing out the program -- I like having the whole history available.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (karim82)

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:35:38 GMT

I use Sound Forge for it's effects/plugins. Also, for reverse reverb effects.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (wragz)

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:22:18 GMT

I have been using Soundforge 6 with Sonar for quite some time, but when I upgraded to a new DAW system with a Tascam FE 88 as my interface I have a problem. I can be working on a sound file, and select a clip to edit go to tools, select Sound forge, but it gives me an error about having problems dealing with the type of file. Has anybody experienced this problem. I will get proper error codes when I get home. I'm just curious.

John

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RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Jesse G)

Mon, 15 May 2006 17:33:24 GMT

It looks like the cakewalk FX plugins and some others in the cakewalk line will not work in Soundforge 8. When you load the plugins while in Soundforge, there is a message that tells you that, "This Plugin is only liscensed to be used in Cakewalk Sonar. An unrestricted version can be purchased from www.dspfx.com" You will have to go through them to find out which ones don't work, there are too many.

In addition,

Lexicon Reverb doesn't work, some of the Project 5 plugins don't work,

All 32 of my Waves plugins work fine.
The Wave Arts Track plug works fine.
Timeworks EQ and Compressor work fine
All in the Voxengo Mastering suite works well.
PSP Vintage meter works that's all I 've checked so far.
ALL Sonitus Works
BBE Sonic Maximizer works
SSL Oxford Mic compressor plug in works

There are more, but I am tired of testing plugins, beside I mainly use the Waves and Voxengo with Soundforge 8.

Peace

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Infinite5ths)

Mon, 15 May 2006 13:38:20 GMT

I'm glad to hear that this is being tested NOW (not at some undefined point in the future). I appreciate the work you do; and I hope that the resolution comes within a Sonar 5 point update -- or at least by Sonar 6.

All the best to you Ron! Thank you.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Mod Bod)

Mon, 15 May 2006 13:20:05 GMT

ORIGINAL: jonboper

Mod Bod, I think it was an earlier post of yours that clued me in to the fact that the effects might not work across programs at all. Is this a bug (that could be fixed if I FRed it) or fact of life (that I can let go with Zen-like disattachment)?

I could go into a history lesson of "he said and they said" between the bakers at Cakewalk and the bakers at Sonic Foundry all the way back to the pre SONAR nntp-group days. The best thing is to just let it go. There are some SF plugs that will work and some that won't. Honestly, I've always disliked the SF plugs. In fact, when I'm using SF, I'm mostly using plugs from SONAR or other third party plug ins.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (jonboper)

Mon, 15 May 2006 12:51:12 GMT

Mod Bod, I think it was an earlier post of yours that clued me in to the fact that the effects might not work across programs at all. Is this a bug (that could be fixed if I FRed it) or fact of life (that I can let go with Zen-like disattachment)?

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Mod Bod)

Mon, 15 May 2006 12:03:36 GMT

ORIGINAL: jonboper

Thanks for the reply Jesse G, and yeah, I think I've got that part down, though it's still pretty strange/new/cool. But what about using Sound Forge effects in real time, e.g. right-click on the FX bin, scroll through the options, insert a Sound Forge effect (they all show there as options for me), and play the song and tweak the effect.

I just get dropouts when I try to do this. Sound Forge effects don't work for me in real time...But this is working for you, or no? It just seems like it would be really cool to be able to use the Sound Forge effects like this.

Sound Forge effects have always been hit or miss in Cakewalk products. I don't suggest using them.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (jonboper)

Mon, 15 May 2006 11:58:46 GMT

Thanks for the reply Jesse G, and yeah, I think I've got that part down, though it's still pretty strange/new/cool. But what about using Sound Forge effects in real time, e.g. right-click on the FX bin, scroll through the options, insert a Sound Forge effect (they all show there as options for me), and play the song and tweak the effect.

I just get dropouts when I try to do this. Sound Forge effects don't work for me in real time...But this is working for you, or no? It just seems like it would be really cool to be able to use the Sound Forge effects like this.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Jesse G)

Mon, 15 May 2006 11:11:02 GMT

Jonboper,

Yes, we are talking about real time use. Even while still in Sonar, we highlight the audio track go to Tools and open Soundforge and begin working on the audio file. when we are done, we can save the audio file changes back to Sonar.

Cool huh?

Peace

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Jesse G)

Mon, 15 May 2006 11:08:21 GMT

Wpuldn't it be rather nice to have a Sonar/Soundforge tips section. I am pretty sure, because foks work in different ways, that we could make use of the valuable information that individuals provide about methods for mastering in Sound forge.

I was using 5 a while back, but not in great detail, so I placed it on the shelf and left it there. Soundforge 7 peaked my interest again, but I still didn't update until Soundforge 8. Now I'm back on the Soundforge trail with 8 and loving it.

I search the forums occasionally to see what others are doing with it to see what xtras I can pick up in my mastering process.

Soundforge Tips section would be great as SF compliments Sonar.

Peace

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (jonboper)

Mon, 15 May 2006 10:49:37 GMT

Bump.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (jonboper)

Sat, 13 May 2006 14:59:00 GMT

I thought this was good for a bump, but also have a question: when you guys say that you are able to use the Sound Forge VSTs in Sonar, are you saying that you are able to use them in real time? I myself am unable to use SF effects in real time in Sonar without immediate dropouts, regardless of aud.ini settings; and have found references in old posts that seem to say that Sound Forge effects aren't real time effective in any program. If there is some kind of work-around that I don't know about I'd love to hear it.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (JazzSinger)

Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:04:45 GMT

SoundForge 5 and SoundForge 8 seem to normalize totally differently. Despite requesting -16db for music, in SF8 it is significantly louder than in SF5 (with precisely the same settings) and even still hits 0db on its peaks, whereas SF5 never (well, mostly never) does this on -16db.

Also, SF8 is based on dotNet, which may be the reason it stutters when you change window size and other things whilst playing back. SF5 is more well behaved on this.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (AndyW)

Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:34:33 GMT

SONAR 5.0.1 has stopped asking me if I want to import the new version...how do I re-enable this? Any ideas? It is quite frustrating!

EDIT: Discovered you have to have "Copy events as linked clips" enabled for this to work properly.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (inmazevo)

Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:50:52 GMT

Just a quick note about a recent experience with Sound Forge support.

I too was looking for an audio editor to go along with Sonar... I focused primarly on Adobe Audition 2 (since I have the rest of their Video Collection) and Sound Forge 8 (since I have a copy of Sound Forge 5 that I once used quite a bit, but stopped for some reason).
After demo-ing Audition, and liking some things about it (particularly the video integration with the other adobe apps), I decided to hold off altogether until I decided what I really wanted to use it for... meaning, I have audio multitracking in Sonar and Cubase... what I really wanted was an editor.

So... I decided to install my copy of Sound Forge 5 and use it in the mean time. However, when attempting to download product updates, Sony had dropped support for version 5 for "technical reasons."
I emailed them last night asking where I could get the updates for version 5, and by end of day today they had replied with an apology and a vague explanation of the support drop for Sound Forge 5, AND a new license and download link for Sound Forge 7 for free.

It's my first and only experience with Sony support for Sound Forge, but if you ask me that's stellar. It's not version 8, but it was FREE, and to me that's pretty cool.
I'll definitely go with Sound Forge for the immediate future. It showed up in the Tools menu of Sonar with no configuration on my part as well.
Sweet.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (garrigus)

Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:28:18 GMT

Hi guys...

Yep, my Sound Forge 8 Power book is now available. You can find more info and get a discount by going to my site:
http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp

You'll also find a couple excerpts here...

http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/article.asp?ID=40

http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/tip.asp?ID=11

with more to come soon...

Thanks!
Scott

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RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (DonM)

Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:36:06 GMT

A while back I mused about getting out of Sound Forge and CDA - unfortunately I haven't really found a replacement - CW's Pyro proved to be less than pro for me and I don't like making audio CD's with Roxio and the like - on the editor side, I have audtion - I've used it farily regularly - I've just built so many presets and I like the batch processing I am stuck and I think Sony loves it.

-D

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Steev)

Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:10:20 GMT

I havenâ€™t really looked into P5 too closely yet as being I had just moved, money as been a bit tight, and that is one of the reasons Iâ€™m here at the userâ€™s forums. I love P4, I have no complaints and it's hard to imagine how it can be improved on.
As much of a gearhead as I am, I'm not all that excited over the 64 bit sound engine as 32 bit is so far into the over kill zone for us mere mortals targeting 16/44.1 CD market.
Though I do like the little things, it's really nice to see Cakewalk finally tweaked and added to the MIDI sequencer, and the V-Vocal looks like a great addition.
Cakewalk adding a convolution reverb is REALLY increadibly sweet for those that don't have one, but I already have the Waves IR-1 and Sound Forge's Acoustic Mirror.
I canâ€™t tell you how nice it is to actually see posts by admin again, and intelligent and informed posts by users. That is all too rare at Sony Media/ACID Planet forums these days.
Anyway, Iâ€™ve been thinking of upgrading soon, Iâ€™m currently working on several song projects in P4 nearing completion that Iâ€™ve been focusing on, as well as tutoring a few collaborator friends who jumped ship from Cubase SX and Pro Tools.
When they came over and saw how stable and nicely P4 can record 8 audio tracks at once in real-time with Macke Control, M-Audio Delta 1010 thatâ€™s all she wrote.
They pretty much went into the freak zone exploring all the built in included buzzers and bells.
Things are really nice now that we all use the same software and Windows PC platform which as finally come of age in the past few years.
I flat out gave up on my Mac Pro Tools MOTU set up when they jumped from OS-9 to OS-X and core audio drivers, what a train wreck that was for 6 months or so, and a very PRICY one too.
That was right about the time when Sonar 3 came out so it was bye bye Mac and I never looked back.
I always loved Windows PC multi tasking architecture Cakewalkâ€™s MIDI sequencing and only went to Mac for multi track audio recording which was excellent, though seriously lacking for MIDI support.

I never like to upgrade in the middle of things because when I finally do I know Iâ€™ll be digging deep into P5.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (pharohoknaughty)

Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:29:52 GMT

I donâ€™t believe anything can compete with ACID Pro as a loop based audio sequencer/editor for ease of use and powerful editing, and Sony no longer provides a hard copy userâ€™s manual for that or Vegas either.

I thought Acid pro should be compared to Project 5, instead of Sonar. Have you looked at P5?

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (The Scar)

Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:13:28 GMT

ORIGINAL: kb420

Do any of you use Scott Garrigus's book Sound Forge 8 Power? I just bought it to look through before I actually buy the program. Is it a good reference/instructional tool for SF?

I bought it 'cause the extremely thin manual that shipped with mine was in Japanese! It's OK. What has been far more valuable to me - 'cause I'm a visual thinker who doesn't like to read - was the seminar DVDs that I found online for $55. They're interactive lessons - awesome.

I just watched a bunch more tonight... I can't imagine not having SF anymore, and I was VERY skeptical about the need for it.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Steev)

Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:06:30 GMT

Yes you should absolutely have a user's manual included shipped to you even with a download purchase of Sound Forge as it is such a very deep and powerful sound editor, a new user couldn't possibly understand what and all it can do.
The tech support at Sony is on the bad side of horrible, a down hill slide since Sony took over, that is why I mentioned reinstalling, as that is all you will get out of them anyway. There is a general aura of apathy. Believe me, itâ€™s useless to complain about Dave Hill. Fact of the matter is, sad to say, more times than not they ignore legitimate requests for tech support, and could take weeks to reply with an answer to basic and simple questions.
All the good guys gave up and left, and now you got into to with Dave consider yourself very low on the food chain.
Never really had any dealings with Sony support myself for help, I have read some horror stories in the forums.
I too had been banned from the ACID Planet Music and Video Tech forums several times. I still do help many users of Sound Forge, ACID, and Vegas, though now a days through personal email contact. Itâ€™s nearly impossible to communicate any real solutions in the forums without flame wars and political debates, and it gets rather tedious.
I've been a member of ACID Planet for years and have many fans, friends and collaborators there, and there is tons of fun to be had as long as I stay out of the forums where I continuously get in trouble with my sense of humor and ragging on ACID Proâ€™s laughably horrendous MIDI support, and I use the word â€˜supportâ€™ very loosely.
Iâ€™ve always made my opinion ultimately clear that ACID Pro had topped out with version 4, and if anyone wants to seriously consider a trip into the world of MIDI, stop wasting time with ACID Pro and go directly to Cakewalk, because even the cheapest skinniest Cakewalk MIDI sequencer will beat ACID Pro 5 to death in short order, and that is the God's honest truth.
I donâ€™t believe anything can compete with ACID Pro as a loop based audio sequencer/editor for ease of use and powerful editing, and Sony no longer provides a hard copy userâ€™s manual for that or Vegas either.
I was pretty angry about having to go through a couple ink cartridges printing out the manual for Vegas, which contrary to popular hype is not as easy for beginners as Sony would lead you to believe. I feel it has a steep learning which really requires a hard copy of the manual.
Well, now that the new ACID Pro 6 is about to (maybe) be released shortly, Sony pushed it back another month, which they boast as actually BEING a DAW, I plan on keeping my forum ban permenant, as I could imagine it will ever be as good as Sonar or Cubase, it would be mean of me, not to mention self destructive to even try to compare and argue the point.
My experience and money says the new and vastly improved and totally rebuilt from the ground up ACID Pro 6 audio/MIDI DAW is going to be a barking beta dawg for at least 6 months after it's release. And an expensive one too.
I think it will be cheaper for me to upgrade to Sonar 5 PE, I'm kinda intrigued by that Roland V-Vocal plug in... I'm a hugh fan of Roland.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (pharohoknaughty)

Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:15:20 GMT

I've posted to a bunch of threads on this subject - SF is the tool I know - I get a lot done with it very quickly and it is the stereo tool I use

thanks for the response, i will search through your posts.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (pharohoknaughty)

Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:13:51 GMT

ORIGINAL: Steev

You can download a .pdf file of the userâ€™s manual for Sound Forge at the Sony Media updates site.
You can get there by opening SF Click on Help > Sony on the Web> Latest updates.
Once there click on the version of Sound Forge you are using and the manual will be listed as a download.

To edit a track in Sonar with Sound Forge, click on the track to select it. Hit the â€œToolsâ€ button on Sonarâ€™s tool bar, than select Sound Forge.
Sonar will open Sound Forge and export the track as a .wav into it for editing.
As soon as you hit â€œsaveâ€ in Sound Forge it will apply your edit changes directly to the original tracks file in Sonar audio data folder.
Saving in Sound Forge as opposed to Sonar clears system memory as well as the mirrored â€œRecoveryâ€ back up file Sound Forge creates in the event of a computer freeze or crash.

By default Sound Forge clears the Undo history as soon as you hit â€˜saveâ€™.
To avoid permanent or destructive editing to the sound file, itâ€™s very important to configure Sound Forge to allow â€œUndosâ€ past saving.
You cannot undo any edit changes made in Sound Forge from Sonar, but you can by sending the track back to Sound Forge.
To do this, open Sound Forge click on â€œOptionsâ€ on the tool bar and choose Preferences. The General tab should be selected. Check the box for â€œAllow Undo past Saveâ€.
This will force Sound Forge to keep the undo history in meta data so if for some reason you donâ€™t like your editing later on down the road you can always bring the sound file back to itâ€™s original state.

thanks about the manual. but my point was that for the money, it seems like they should print the manual instead of PDF. I guess I am a dinasaur.

Anyway, thanks also for the rundown on how it works with Sonar. This helps a lot.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Rednroll)

Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:10:56 GMT

I don't find their forums helpful at all and the tech support has never suggested anything other than a reinstall.

Yeah, it always wasn't this way until the past year or so. I use to help out Sound Forge users with a lot of tech support questions, but they decided to ban me when I expressed my disappointment for the latest Vegas release on the audio side features. Well I shouldn't say "They", really one person in particular at Sony. I think you should write him and tell him your viewpoint of their forums now. Contact: Dave.Hill_AT_sonyconnect.com. A lot of the more fluent users of the apps got upset by this move, and now most of us hang out at my newly created forum. Even some of the more knowledgable Sony developers post there too. The new Sound Forge forums are over here: www.crossface-forums.net. I coined the Sony forums, "Goose_egg-forums.com", since most ot the technical questions in using the apps from users, have ZERO replies to them now. Thankfully, Cakewalk has a great guy like Ron Kuper who seems pretty focused on customer relations and seems to be pretty damn intelligent in my book. They have an "anti-Ron" over there at Sony by the name of Dave Hill busy destroying customer relations for them.

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (Steev)

Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:02:25 GMT

Don,
The only times I have seen or heard of that happening with Sony apps was when they were installed in a directory behind another partition other than â€œCâ€ drive, or when someone tried to hide .SKF by Windows configuration.
By doing so any number of problems can occur, from very strange to mild, stability suffers in some way.
I know how they can clutter up a folder, but the .SKF files contain peak data for the sound files and must be in the same folder as the sound file for smooth operation.
Itâ€™s actually safer to delete .SKF than to hide or move them out of the same folder. That will only cause SF to rebuild them upon loading and of course slowing loading time down, but they will be back again.

Whether or not if this is your case or situation, something had corrupted your Sony apps, and I would strongly recommend completely uninstalling them, run defrag, than reinstalling.
Donâ€™t bother choosing the repair tool the uninstaller will offer you, it wonâ€™t work for problems like this.

I had a strange corruption problem with Sound Forgeâ€™s plug in preset manager a while back after installing an early Adobe version of Cool Edit Pro (Audition I think?) to try out, I ended up having to reinstall both Sound Forge and ACID Pro, than all worked fine until I uninstalled the Cool Edit Pro! Grrrr, I ended up having to reinstall both Sound Forge and ACID Pro AGAIN!!
Could be Adobe and Sony donâ€™t play well together on the same system?

RE: Sonar/Sound Forge Users questions (DonM)

Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:43:08 GMT

WOW, that's a little discenrning. How is their tech support?

Recently I had a big problem with CDA on my main workstation - it would not perform resampling on 48kHz files (my minimum standard) - After ruining a dozen good media - I emailed them - their response took two weeks - I've been using 16/44.1 into CDA ever since - this hurts my workflow efficiency and requires me to create extra copies of tracks which can be very annoying but the condition exists on both of my workstations so I convinced I don't have time to try to solve their problems.

I have been a registered upgrading user since SF 4.5 (now at 8.0b) I don't find their forums helpful at all and the tech support has never suggested anything other than a reinstall.

CDA like sound forge has some really nice features - I've just found them to be very buggy.
-D