bunnyfluffer
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seiously, best DAW feature EVER
EXPORT TRACKS.
The more I use this feature - more respect I have for Cakewalk. Sonar users NEVER have to worry cross platform compatibility or delivery requirements.
I can export all the tracks from each project as individual tracks,
stereo or mono,
with or without track effects,
with or without track automation,
with or without bus effects,
with or without bus automation
- at any bit depth and sample rate.
I'm producing a few projects right now and the people I'm working with are on other systems (including Grage Band). I have no ego investment as a producer so I can simply export their tracks and they can import them into their DAW to play with arrangements and work on parts on their own.
GENIUS. Truly GENIUS. This feature not in Logic and I'd be suspect that it works in Pro-Tools (or even is a feature in LE versions).
Go Cakewalk!
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 17:46:31
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Yes I couldn't agree more.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 17:53:28
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I just received files from a pro tools session to mix in sonar(it is being played in central cali radio, and features a hot rapper Roscoe Umali as well as Johnny Michael and Self Made).
The guy sending the files says "I dont know how to export all the tracks at once". He was in Florida, so I said to put all tracks on the measure, and export them and put on cd or dvd.
He was like, "I gotta do each track separate and it will take a while, and Im in the middle of this that etc".
So, I was thinking, hmm, does he not know how, or does protools not have this capability like sonar?
I showed a friend how to export all his tracks separately just yesterday with ease. He was blown away!
Good point. Do other DAWS do this? If not, why? This is a no brainer in the modern DAW world.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 19:31:19
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So, I was thinking, hmm, does he not know how, or does protools not have this capability like sonar?
No it does not!! Hello real time bounce... UGH.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 19:35:33
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Wow, and they probably say, oh, it sounds better! lol
This feature alone will keep me a sonar user lol
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CP
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 20:51:28
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No it does not!! Hello real time bounce... UGH.
Not true, you can export all track files in Pro Tools. It's a save as, so it's faster than SONAR. Because of SONAR pan laws, its track export doesn't work properly on some pan law settings - potentially your tracks will clip on export. This is due to SONAR not being able to ignore the interleave when exporting raw tracks. It's almost a bug, IMO.
post edited by CP - 2008/03/27 21:14:53
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 20:56:28
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BTW, I love SONAR and dislike PT.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 21:59:30
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Because of SONAR pan laws, its track export doesn't work properly on some pan law settings - potentially your tracks will clip on export. This is due to SONAR not being able to ignore the interleave when exporting raw tracks. It's almost a bug, IMO.
"doesn't work properly" is incorrect. Exported file levels are logical and consistent if you are aware of all the settings that affect it and what they mean. There are 5 settings that determine by how much your export levels may change, if at all. They are: 1. Pan law setting 2. Original clip format, mono vs stereo 3. Track panning, center vs panned 4. Exported file format, mono vs stereo 5. Exporting with or without track automation There are a total of 96 possible combinations (16 for any specific pan law setting) and some people fail to understand the implications of different settings. Changes in the exported file level compared to the original track playback level are not due to any fault in the software. Here's the pan law documents that describe when levels may change and by exactly how much (which can be used to compensate before export). It was created experimentally using Sonar 6 Producer, but should apply to Sonar 7 as well. Pan Laws.pdf (Pretty format) Pan Laws.txt (Original text tables)
post edited by altima_boy_2001 - 2008/03/27 22:18:27
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/27 22:45:11
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Not true, you can export all track files in Pro Tools. It's a save as, so it's faster than SONAR. Are you sure on this. A save as in PT is going to save all the tracks independently as separate tracks with all FX on a per track basis that is re-rendered?
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 00:42:04
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Not true, you can export all track files in Pro Tools. It's a save as, so it's faster than SONAR.
I have PT M-Powered and I still can't figure out how. Any clues?
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 01:30:52
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ORIGINAL: CP
Not true, you can export all track files in Pro Tools. It's a save as, so it's faster than SONAR.
I have PT M-Powered and I still can't figure out how. Any clues?
there's a consolidate feature in Pro Tools (think bounce to tracks/freeze in sonar), for instance, selecting all desired tracks and measures 0-200, and consolidating creates waves for each track for measures 0-200. All one needs to do is go the project audio folder for the wav files - i've transfered wavs from PT projects to Sonar this way before.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 02:16:15
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there's a consolidate feature in Pro Tools (think bounce to tracks/freeze in sonar),
for instance, selecting all desired tracks and measures 0-200, and consolidating creates waves for each track for measures 0-200.
All one needs to do is go the project audio folder for the wav files - i've transfered wavs from PT projects to Sonar this way before.
I see. That's good for finished and final projects, but ideally I'd like to leave the clips as they are as no project is ever finished. 
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 02:42:13
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ORIGINAL: bunnyfluffer
EXPORT TRACKS.
The more I use this feature - more respect I have for Cakewalk. Sonar users NEVER have to worry cross platform compatibility or delivery requirements.
I can export all the tracks from each project as individual tracks,
stereo or mono,
with or without track effects,
with or without track automation,
with or without bus effects,
with or without bus automation
- at any bit depth and sample rate.
I'm producing a few projects right now and the people I'm working with are on other systems (including Grage Band). I have no ego investment as a producer so I can simply export their tracks and they can import them into their DAW to play with arrangements and work on parts on their own.
GENIUS. Truly GENIUS. This feature not in Logic and I'd be suspect that it works in Pro-Tools (or even is a feature in LE versions).
Go Cakewalk!
I don't have to export a whole project that often, but when I have I first made sure all the tracks were solid audio from bar 1 to the end and then chose export OMF and chose external folders (I forget the exact term) this makes a separate folder with logical names for each files all in a separate folder. Is there a quicker or better way to do it?
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 05:53:01
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"doesn't work properly" is incorrect. Exported file levels are logical and consistent if you are aware of all the settings that affect it and what they mean. There are 5 settings that determine by how much your export levels may change, if at all. They are:
1. Pan law setting
2. Original clip format, mono vs stereo
3. Track panning, center vs panned
4. Exported file format, mono vs stereo
5. Exporting with or without track automation
There are a total of 96 possible combinations (16 for any specific pan law setting) and some people fail to understand the implications of different settings. Changes in the exported file level compared to the original track playback level are not due to any fault in the software.
I'll give you this much, it's comprehensive. If you think this is a fantastic way to deal with exporting wave files from Sonar for use in another DAW then you must revel in complex procedures. Let me guess, you change your oil, transmission fluid, coolant and tire air every day before you drive somewhere. I imagine the export module is used most frequently in 3 ways. 1. Exporting individual, per track wave files for Archiving or use in another project/DAW. Who would want anything but a bit for bit, db for db unprocessed copy of what was recorded/edited. Most tracking is mono. Why should pan law be a factor in this application? 2. Exporting stems for use in another project/DAW. Stems are generally stereo and export will include processing. 3. Exporting a finished mix. Again, generally stereo and export will include all processing. In some panlaws the interleave settings do not behave consistently during playback and export and this is not logical. Since every newly created track defaults to stereo even when the input is set to a mono source one must actively set the interleave to mono if you plan on exporting. There are so many things wrong with the interleave functionality it goes beyond the topic of this thread. I am constantly dealing with interleave issues of one kind or another no matter how vigilant I try to be. The problem with the export function is that it's over designed. PT's Consolidate Audio is right on the mark with functionality. I would say sonar's export function is like a stepchild of Saw studio. If export could work like Bounce To Tracks it would be flawless. What I want is Bounce To Folder, AKA Consolidate Audio. The current Export module could stay the same if there was only a Bounce to Folder option. Cheers, William
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 11:10:47
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ORIGINAL: bunnyfluffer
EXPORT TRACKS.
The more I use this feature - more respect I have for Cakewalk. Sonar users NEVER have to worry cross platform compatibility or delivery requirements.
I can export all the tracks from each project as individual tracks,
stereo or mono,
with or without track effects,
with or without track automation,
with or without bus effects,
with or without bus automation
- at any bit depth and sample rate.
I'm producing a few projects right now and the people I'm working with are on other systems (including Grage Band). I have no ego investment as a producer so I can simply export their tracks and they can import them into their DAW to play with arrangements and work on parts on their own.
GENIUS. Truly GENIUS. This feature not in Logic and I'd be suspect that it works in Pro-Tools (or even is a feature in LE versions).
Go Cakewalk!
Wow, I didn't know any app had that capability....I just wish I could get my audio projects from Sony Vegas to Sonar like that!
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CP
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 21:11:07
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ORIGINAL: Alndln
ORIGINAL: CP
Not true, you can export all track files in Pro Tools. It's a save as, so it's faster than SONAR.
I have PT M-Powered and I still can't figure out how. Any clues?
Alan, I'll post a tutorial on that later.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 21:13:04
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In some panlaws the interleave settings do not behave consistently during playback and export and this is not logical. Since every newly created track defaults to stereo even when the input is set to a mono source one must actively set the interleave to mono if you plan on exporting. There are so many things wrong with the interleave functionality it goes beyond the topic of this thread. I am constantly dealing with interleave issues of one kind or another no matter how vigilant I try to be.
Cheers, William
Correct, and there's no way to ignore the interleave on export, even if you uncheck automation and such.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 21:40:40
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Don't get me wrong. I do think export is a great feature. I do like the ability to have options for bouncing to disk. It's very useful for rendering a mix. My main issue is that there is no clear, non cryptic way to export pure unprocessed wave files.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 21:56:13
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Yikes - which version of sonar started using this feature?
Now for the shame...I have sonar PE 5.02...and I have a copy of sonar 7pe which I've had for months but haven't installed...
My system drive is 20Gb, 15 of which is used. The second drive is for audio and rompler files. I have bought new hard drives and new psu, acoustic lining, fans etc to increase my HDD space for future BFD installs etc. They are gathering dust in my wardrobe.
My OS is win 200 and I was hoping to put this system and another newer XP install on a partitioned system dual boot drive and install sonar 7 on it.
Time is the issue. I moved house and am still installing sinks instead of software....plus I have a queue of tasks on my current system so I haven't had the time or the hard disk space to install sonar 7 PE
Things is the export tracks feature would make my life sooo much easier. Most of my current to do list is merely editing tracks and emailing them back via ftp to a producer...ie importing vox track into sonar, v-vocalling the main vox, autotuning the oohs and ahhhs , exporting the files and emailing them back. Time consuming. It would be nice to export tracks and leave the PC to work on its own.
Thanks for letting me know about this...I definitely need to create time for an "upgrade day"....
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altima_boy_2001
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 22:23:56
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Correct, and there's no way to ignore the interleave on export, even if you uncheck automation and such. There is, however, another way to get copies of clips out of Sonar without using the export command by using the ctrl key and the mouse. This will get you copies of all the clips in the tracks without applying any of the track parameters or having to think about interleave. 1. Select all your tracks, bounce to new tracks. 2. Slip-edit the bounces if needed and apply trimming. 3. Open up a folder in Windows Explorer and adjust things so you can see both Sonar and the folder. 4. Select all the bounced clips, hold control key, and drag them all to the folder (Hold the ctrl key/mouse until all copying messages are finished) You will now have unaltered copies of the bounced clips in the folder you dragged them to. 5. Delete the bounced tracks if desired. The problem with the export function is that it's over designed. I prefer all the control in the export function and think it's another reason Cakewalk can market their software as "professional".
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/28 22:26:54
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Export is under the File menu and it's in S5. I'm on S6.
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/29 21:59:23
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There is, however, another way to get copies of clips out of Sonar without using the export command by using the ctrl key and the mouse. This will get you copies of all the clips in the tracks without applying any of the track parameters or having to think about interleave.
1. Select all your tracks, bounce to new tracks.
2. Slip-edit the bounces if needed and apply trimming.
3. Open up a folder in Windows Explorer and adjust things so you can see both Sonar and the folder.
4. Select all the bounced clips, hold control key, and drag them all to the folder
(Hold the ctrl key/mouse until all copying messages are finished)
You will now have unaltered copies of the bounced clips in the folder you dragged them to.
5. Delete the bounced tracks if desired.
I prefer all the control in the export function and think it's another reason Cakewalk can market their software as "professional".
It's been a while since I've tried something like that. I think if you bounce to tracks you still have to worry about interleave because mono tracks will become stereo if they have stereo effects inserted - I'm pretty sure about that. Do you mean bounce to clips, maybe?
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/29 22:46:20
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I think if you bounce to tracks you still have to worry about interleave because mono tracks will become stereo if they have stereo effects inserted Yes, mono clips on a mono interleave track sent through a stereo output plugin will in fact be a stereo track. Are you worried about exporting this track as mono without getting the natural 3 dB increase in level? WMB wanted a way to easily get the resulting "bounce to track" clips out of Sonar without using the Export functionality so I gave him one. Others have given him other means of getting the files as well. Here's a link to a free VST plugin that will make a stereo signal mono again without a change in the final volume of the track. TBT plugins Download the SXmono.zip plugin, extract, and install it. Insert it after the stereo plugin. Turn on the big red button. I use this plugin for checking mono compatibility on my mixes. There's a bunch of other interesting plugins there as well....
post edited by altima_boy_2001 - 2008/03/29 23:05:21
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/29 23:12:00
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Excuse my ignorance ,but what are the files that are in my "per project audio" folder. Aren't those the raw wave files?
Why couldn't you just copy those and import them into a new project?
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RE: seiously, best DAW feature EVER
2008/03/29 23:24:38
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Excuse my ignorance ,but what are the files that are in my "per project audio" folder. Aren't those the raw wave files?
Why couldn't you just copy those and import them into a new project?
If you've created clips using loop recording or have slip-edited clips after importing/recording then the files in your Audio folder will not match up with what you see in Sonar. Sonar's non-destructive editing prevents the source files from changing (unless you decide to destructively process the clips using the "Process" menu). One way to fix this is to bounce the tracks to new tracks which will create new clips in your Audio folder. Another is to "Save As" the project in a new location and have it create a file for each clip. And another is to click and drag the bounced clips out of Sonar using the method I described above.
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