setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53

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2010/11/12 09:28:04 (permalink)

setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53

i recently updated to Komplete 7 and am having a very difficult time trying to set up "The Finger" in Sonar.  i have searched high and low for an explanation, but to no avail.  i've gathered that i must set up an audio track so that my microphone makes sound in that track (check) where "The Finger" is inserted as an audio effect (check), and am supposed to open a MIDI track and somehow point it to the Reaktor ensemble "The Finger" (here is where i am lost).  does anybody have a TEMPLATE or some screenshots that could help me out here?

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    benstat
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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/11/12 11:21:35 (permalink)
    I use 'The Mouth' which I believe is similar. Here's what I do:

    1. Add an audio track or VST instrument track containing the sound you want to manipulate with The Finger.
    2. In the effects bin for that track, right click and add Reaktor (under Soft Synths, not Audio FX) and set Reaktor to use The Finger.
    3. If you want to control The Finger by MIDI (ie. using your MIDI keyboard), add a new MIDI track then set the output of it to Reaktor.

    You now have Reaktor/The Finger configured as an effect on a VST instrument/audio track, and you can control The Finger via MIDI.

    HTH
    post edited by benstat - 2010/11/12 11:22:47
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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/11/12 12:47:00 (permalink)
    ANother approach is to add the REaktor FX to the FX bin of the audio track.
     
    Or use Kore2's FX dll.   The finger actually works well in that and has a lot of functionality not in the Reaktor version.
     
     

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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/11/12 12:48:13 (permalink)
    I use 'The Mouth' which I believe is similar. Here's what I do:

     
    Ben, I have "The Mouth" too -- and strangely I'm not as impressed with it as I am The Finger.  The Mouth is probably better suited for affecting vocal input.   With Synths it's not killin' me yet.
     
    Haven't tried it with drums/beats yet either, though.
     
     

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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/11/12 16:33:17 (permalink)
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    I use 'The Mouth' which I believe is similar. Here's what I do:

     
    Ben, I have "The Mouth" too -- and strangely I'm not as impressed with it as I am The Finger.  The Mouth is probably better suited for affecting vocal input.   With Synths it's not killin' me yet.
     
    Haven't tried it with drums/beats yet either, though.
     
     

    I'm using it for vocals and am quite happy with it, for the price. I like using it to bring something unique to the myriad of vocal samples I own, and for that it's great. I haven't tried The Finger. Am I right in thinking it kind of allows you to 'play' effects using a keyboard, much like Sugar Bytes Artillery (which I already own, hence me skipping The Finger)?
     
    Edit: By the way, I'm finding The Mouth pretty good with beats too.
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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/11/12 16:51:42 (permalink)
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    I use 'The Mouth' which I believe is similar. Here's what I do:

     
    Ben, I have "The Mouth" too -- and strangely I'm not as impressed with it as I am The Finger.  The Mouth is probably better suited for affecting vocal input.   With Synths it's not killin' me yet.
     
    Haven't tried it with drums/beats yet either, though.
     
     

    I'm using it for vocals and am quite happy with it, for the price. I like using it to bring something unique to the myriad of vocal samples I own, and for that it's great. I haven't tried The Finger. Am I right in thinking it kind of allows you to 'play' effects using a keyboard, much like Sugar Bytes Artillery (which I already own, hence me skipping The Finger)?
     
    Edit: By the way, I'm finding The Mouth pretty good with beats too.
    Ben,

    Yes - the finger, when used as an effect with MIDI control, allows you to play (triigger) various effects from your keyboard/controller.  It's quite cool.

    When I get more time, I'll play with The Mouth more.  I love Tim Exile.  He's an incredibly talented guy so I'm sure The Mouth fits in somewhere in my arsenal ;)

    Have fun :)




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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/11/12 17:15:07 (permalink)
    Ok.. I have to ask... finger?... mouth?.... someone as strange as me could read a lot into that one.. is this really an effect ???
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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/11/12 18:05:08 (permalink)
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    Ok.. I have to ask... finger?... mouth?.... someone as strange as me could read a lot into that one.. is this really an effect ???

    And more



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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/14 21:36:50 (permalink)
    i would like to thank you all for responding to my question.  sorry it's been so long for me to respond, but i just got Maschine a few weeks ago and really i've done little else but use it.  so now i wanna get my The Finger set up (i'm doing it in X1 for kicks, but can use 8.53 if necessary).  i have the audio track set up and Reaktor FX set up in the fx bin (which has been set up in the plugin options as a synth, so that i can route midi into it) except i have no idea how to route the midi into it.  where is this option?

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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/14 23:13:41 (permalink)
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    i would like to thank you all for responding to my question.  sorry it's been so long for me to respond, but i just got Maschine a few weeks ago and really i've done little else but use it.  so now i wanna get my The Finger set up (i'm doing it in X1 for kicks, but can use 8.53 if necessary).  i have the audio track set up and Reaktor FX set up in the fx bin (which has been set up in the plugin options as a synth, so that i can route midi into it) except i have no idea how to route the midi into it.  where is this option?

    Many of these types of FX have to be setup as a synth type FX.

    The way I've used The Finger a lot is through Kore2 (software edition) and I inserted Kore2FX in the fx bin and then created a MIDI track pointing to it to trigger/control it.

    It's the same if you use the Reactor FX in the bin.  You create a MIDI trigger track that has it as the source.

    And PS - congrats on getting Maschine.  I couldn't live without it these days :)




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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/22 13:29:59 (permalink)
    now i've finally got the Finger and the Mouth set up correctly in Sonar X1 (and was having a good time with them last night).  can't seem to get this same type of setup working with Image-Line's VOCODEX, and i'm wondering if it has anything to do with VOCODEX needing jBridge in order to "work" (Image-Line tells me that this is purely Cakewalk's fault, and not theirs)

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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/22 14:05:25 (permalink)
    Thanks to all of you.

    I also just got Komplete 7, w2atched some Tim Exile videos and had figuring out how to use the Mouth and Finger on my low priority wish list.

    Thanks again.

    best regards,
    mike


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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/22 14:07:53 (permalink)
    wetdentist


    now i've finally got the Finger and the Mouth set up correctly in Sonar X1 (and was having a good time with them last night).  can't seem to get this same type of setup working with Image-Line's VOCODEX, and i'm wondering if it has anything to do with VOCODEX needing jBridge in order to "work" (Image-Line tells me that this is purely Cakewalk's fault, and not theirs)

    I personally didn't like Vocodex when I tried it a while back, but it may not be compatible with the 64bit Double Precision Engine in Sonar, so you might want to try turning that off to see if that helps.
     
     

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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/22 23:43:13 (permalink)
    i like some of Vocodex's sounds a lot, but the GUI is awful.

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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/23 00:04:17 (permalink)
    Are any of you Native Instrument lovers into 'Prism' yet? I just love it. And for you Prism lovers out there there is a free update that includes a whole lot of great new Prism patches and also a new Prism FX version of the Prism DLL which now allows you to feed audio through the Prism engine and that is really something to be heard!

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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/23 00:34:54 (permalink)
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    Are any of you Native Instrument lovers into 'Prism' yet? I just love it. And for you Prism lovers out there there is a free update that includes a whole lot of great new Prism patches and also a new Prism FX version of the Prism DLL which now allows you to feed audio through the Prism engine and that is really something to be heard!

    I've been so busy with work, X1, and this forum (lol) that I haven't kept up with what Prism is....

    What do you like about it Jeff?




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    Re:setting up "the finger" in Sonar 8.53 2010/12/23 02:37:23 (permalink)
    It produces sounds I don't think I have heard from any other synth and it does it all without samples which is the trend these days. I am into complex ambient textures and Prism excels at this. It can also do some very nice acoustic type sounds too but it is the soundscape stuff I like the most. I love the way it just creates the complex harmonic structure rather than trying to make complex patches by layering and effects etc this instrumenst just seems to cut straight to the chase. I also love the way the amplitudes of all the harmonics and the horizontal positioning of the harmonics (on the frequency spectrum) can be ever changing and the sounds it makes when the harmonics move horizontally and vertically is just breathtaking. No other instrument can do this the way Prism does. (As far as I know) It is very unique. It also has that classic NI sound which is also great.

    Now they have released a version of Prism which can be used as an amazing effects processor on audio tracks etc. eg Audio can energise the modal bank now which is ridiculous. (free download too) It is very CPU hungry though. Freezing is essential for those of us with less than very powerful machines. But it is playable and you can still get low latencies with it.

    It is also a fantastic teaching aid for people wanting to explain things about the frequency spectrum. (or show things in the frequency domain rather than in the time domain) That display is excellent and can show many things. It is also very cool to watch while you play it!

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