shifting the pitch of an audio track

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2010/10/26 22:50:27 (permalink)

shifting the pitch of an audio track

Hi:
 
When I use the cakewalk tuner plug in, several of my audio tracks appear to be flat by about half of a semitone. I would like to change the pitch of such tracks so that they are perfectly on pitch.
 
The only plug in I seem to have (I am using sonar 8.5 x64) is the transpose function (under the process menu). This function, however, only changes the pitch by increments of a semitone and nothing less. Accordingly, it will not fix my issue.
 
Any ideas how I can shift the pitch of my audio tracks by less than a semitone?
 
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    CJaysMusic
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/26 23:51:40 (permalink)
    Try V-vocal or record and make sure your instruemnts are in tune

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 00:14:57 (permalink)
    You can insert pitch shift into the track. The native pitch shift is basic, but might work.

    For the track you want to adjust:
     
    1. Hover over the area FX/None and you'll see a tool tip: Right Click to Patch an Effect
    2. From there: Select > Audio Fx > Cakewalk > Pitch Shifter
    3. Set it to:

    Pitch Shift = {var}
    Dry Mix = 0
    Wet Mix = 100
    Feedback = 0
    Delay Time = 0
    Mod Depth = 50.00ms


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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 07:48:56 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies. I will try the V-vocal suggestion.  Sonar 8.5 x64 does not seem to have the pitch shifter option.
    post edited by Robert Morin - 2010/10/27 07:50:35
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 09:47:58 (permalink)
    V-Vocal will only work on mono clips, not stereo.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 11:15:03 (permalink)
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    V-Vocal will only work on mono clips, not stereo.


    but if it's a stereo track you can always split it to mono before applying v-vocal.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 11:22:22 (permalink)
    If you need to transpose, use the Process/Transpose option and from there you have access to the excellent iZotope radius algorithms for pitch shifting.

    For tuning, V-Vocal would probably be best.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 19:54:42 (permalink)
    Robert Morin


    Thanks for the replies. I will try the V-vocal suggestion.  Sonar 8.5 x64 does not seem to have the pitch shifter option.



    Interesting. It shows up for me in SP8.5.3 W7x64. Hope you get your task accomplished without much trouble.
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 20:42:13 (permalink)
    Just a though, I've never used V vocal but I've read that it does sometimes trash the sound somewhat. So make sure you apply it to something you can revert to the original after wards.
    If correcting the pitch of those tracks does not work out you can always tune your MIDI and overdubs to that pitch.
    In the past with analog we sometimes ended up with a tape machine that played a little off from another. A test tone at A 440 was used in the lead in so you would calibrate your tuner to that and then tune the overdub instruments accordingly.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 22:11:20 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies. I reinstalled sonar and the pitch shifter plug in now shows up. I will try that route first. Thanks.
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 22:43:47 (permalink)
    OK - I tried the pitch shifter and nothing seems to happen (i.e., no change in pitch). I have done a search on this forum to find out how pitch shifter works, with no luck. Does anyone know of a link so I can find out how the pitch shifter plug in works? Thanks.
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/27 23:50:00 (permalink)
    Did you check the Transpose Audio box?
     
    EDIT: Oh, wait. You said Plug-in. I thought you were talking about Process > Transpose. Pitch Shifter should work, too. You'll probably want to set Dry Mix to 0%, and Wet Mix to 100%. I think Process > Transpose will give you higher quality, though.
     
    EDIT 2: Boy I'm on a roll tonight. Double duh. Just read you original post, and see that you want fine tuning. Looks Like pitch Shifter's you tool.
    post edited by brundlefly - 2010/10/28 00:02:34
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/28 05:54:44 (permalink)
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    Just a though, I've never used V vocal but I've read that it does sometimes trash the sound somewhat. So make sure you apply it to something you can revert to the original after wards.
    If correcting the pitch of those tracks does not work out you can always tune your MIDI and overdubs to that pitch.
    In the past with analog we sometimes ended up with a tape machine that played a little off from another. A test tone at A 440 was used in the lead in so you would calibrate your tuner to that and then tune the overdub instruments accordingly.

    V-Vocal is nondestructive. If you've got V-Vocal on a track, enable your layers and you'll see the original clip, muted, below the V-V clip in a separate layer.
     
    It can alter the sound significantly, but this depends an awful lot on the source material you're working with.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/28 11:13:07 (permalink)
    It can alter the sound significantly, but this depends an awful lot on the source material you're working with.

    So would this not be the same case with any pitch shifting tool?
    This is my concern here, if the op has a very slightly out of tune track(s) then I fear they would stand a chance of doing more harm than good by using any pitch correction. I guess you would need to apply something if they are irreplaceable audio tracks that are not in tune to each other. 
    My first action would be to re do the off pitch tracks in tune or adjust any MIDI tracks to be the same pitch as the offenders, then all new tracks are recorded using a calibrated tuning.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/29 05:24:06 (permalink)
    Yes, I agree totally.

    If, as the OP stated, his recorded audio tracks are off by half a semitone, then the first and only real remedy is to get his instruments tuned, and in tune with each other, and re-record everything.

    This is an attempt to "fix it in the mix" which can lead to some great results, in about 10% of cases, but the most natural & pleasing result is to re-track.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/29 11:44:10 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the replies. I will try the V-vocal suggestion.  Sonar 8.5 x64 does not seem to have the pitch shifter option.


    I have the pitch shifter working in SPE8.5 x64 but it's not very good. I get a lot of pops and clicks. Sound Forge's pitch shift works great in Sonar, but only Sonar x86.

    There's a fully functioning time limited demo of Antare's Auto Tune. If you only have one track you need to fix, you could try that. Auto-Tune has a slightly nicer interface than V-Vocal, but imho V-Vocal is better.
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/30 10:13:33 (permalink)
    I have been adding an octave to guitar parts for a sorta mandolin air. Usually the Sonar Pitch-shifter 2 works OK.

    For a track with an electric piano type sound I found the CW PitchShifter 2 generated way too many out-of-tune artifacts. I tried 2 steps at a time. But nooooooo!

    So I I did the web search for shift plugs. Tried a bunch, including madshifta, pitchshifter2,  Audacity, and all the Reaper algorithms.

    The best of the bunch is the Reaper Dirac LE slow.

    None of these are real time shifters, all offline.

    To get the real time pitch shifter in sonar to be listenable: archive most other tracks to reduce Sonar's heavy burden.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/30 12:17:40 (permalink)
    I'll say it again. If you are literally going to shift the pitch of a track, go to Process/Transpose and use the Izotope offline algorithms. They sound superb.

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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/30 13:44:32 (permalink)
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    Usually the Sonar Pitch-shifter 2 works OK.

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    I can't get the Pitch-Shifter 2 plug to work. Maybe it's because I'm running SPE8.5.3 x64.


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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/30 13:50:59 (permalink)
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    I'll say it again. If you are literally going to shift the pitch of a track, go to Process/Transpose and use the Izotope offline algorithms. They sound superb.


    I've never used this function but I'll definitely give it a try. I collaborate with a friend who sings mostly in flats and it would be nice to transpose his vocals to a major and keep it high quality. I always use V-Vocal but I'd like to give this a try also.
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    Re:shifting the pitch of an audio track 2010/10/30 13:51:38 (permalink)
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