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2011/03/21 22:00:35 (permalink)

snare sound

I really like how they do the snare (or clap or whatever it is here). 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=herLMUn2-U0

It's spread real nice, but doesn't sound hollow, like it might get from too much reverb etc.   Any ideas? 

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    guitartrek
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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/21 23:09:24 (permalink)
    It does sound great.  Hard to tell - but sounds to me it is layered with a reversed clap with maybe a 100ms long reverb tail (just a guess).  And the normal clap doesn't seem to have any reverb on it so the reverb only comes ahead of the clap (with the reversed clap) and no reverb after it.  It is nicely EQ's and compressed.
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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/21 23:28:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for the ideas.


    For the music I do where the beat is so important, I think it's crucial to get everything sounding just right.  And that often means making certain parts a bit bigger if the arrangment is more miniminalist.


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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/23 00:29:09 (permalink)
    Hey, Mathew! That sounds similar to an effect I just used recently. Here's a snippit. The effect is brief, just 2 measures about 5 seconds in.

    I got this effect by freezing a handclap from the TTS-1 with a short reverb on it, copying the section to another track and reversing it. I used volume envelopes to remove the attack from the reversed version to it was mostly just the reversed reverb tail and just a little of the clap. Then I lined it up with the original handclaps.
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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/23 01:42:08 (permalink)
    nice tune flipper..like it alot...snare is reversed right..impact??..great mix

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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/23 10:19:41 (permalink)
    Yes, I'm definitely going to have to try this.

    Also, I would imainge the layering makes it a fatter sound.



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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/23 16:08:25 (permalink)
    It's not a reversed snare, but rather a reversed handclap with a short reverb applied before reversing, laid over the top of regular handclaps and snare.

    I have saved that handclap-reverse handclap as a wave so that I can easily paste it into a project when needed. Over the years, every time I've created such an effect I've saved a copy in a folder, which now includes reverse versions of cymbals, snares, toms and triangles. Someday I'll have to compile them into a Kontakt library or something.


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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/23 21:07:52 (permalink)
    Yes, I have a reverse cymbal I use all the time.  

    Although, I might try loading the samples into battery.   (I don't think I can load it into superior drummer)


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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/24 07:40:23 (permalink)
    There is definitely a reverse reverb happening on the top layer. Sounds like a clap to me too, but it could be something else. Under that (about 30% volume) is a classic 808 Snare. I would recognize that sound anywhere.

    For the 808, Session Drummer has a set of decent samples - but for the primary part of the sound I think the suggestions here are a great place to start.

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    Re:snare sound 2011/03/27 11:27:53 (permalink)
    I was going to guess that it was a hand clap track, but I figured the processing a bit different. If you notice the most significant beat of the hand clap is at the end which forms sort of a cresendo that starts a bit ahead of the actual beat and ends at it's loudest right on the beat. I would of guessed that the hand clap track/clip was reversed and a short reverb applied to it, and then bouced with the reverb embedded in the track/clip. The track is then reversed again to make it appear forward (putting the cresendo in the right order). Not a new trick, but not the usual treatment for a clap track.

    Clap tracks themselves can be difficult to record. I've done them live and with synth/sampler patches. I generally have the best luck by doubling the claps with a snare cross-stick sound, or a wood block patch on a seperate track. The sound is similar to the claps but is definitive and on the beat. I then slide the claps ahead in time just a touch. If you're recording actual people clapping they will not clap together or necessarily on the beat. If one clap is late now and then, it is anti-climactic and kind of sucks the groove out of the song. By using the cross-stick track and sliding the actual claps slightly ahead in time, each cluster of claps appears to end on the beat with the implied cresendo right on time.
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    Re:snare sound 2011/04/03 13:36:58 (permalink)
    If your still searching for this sound - try using one of the 808 kits loaded with Session Drummer 3 (808_Long would be my starting point).

    1: Use the 808 Snare, and the 808 Handclaps. (handclaps are assigned in the snare area, but can be hit separately from a midi controller)
    2: Process the handclaps with a reverb, then reverse the track.
    3: Claps about 60% - 70% in volume.
    4: Snare about 30%-40% in volume.
    5: You may need to tune the snare and claps a little. Easy to do with the mixer in SD3.

    I am 95% certain this track is using the sounds from a Roland TR-808, and Session Drummer 3 has a 100% replica of those dry sounds. You just need to process them accordingly.

    I use Superior Drummer these days for my drums, but one thing Session Drummer 3 does really good is those old Roland drum machines (808, 909, 707) becuase they have the original samples to work with. Combined with the Step Sequencer I am taken back 20 - 30 years in a heartbeat. I used to love those old machines and owned every one of them (including the 606) in the 80's. I'm regretting that I sold them all in the 90's.
    post edited by codamedia - 2011/04/03 13:38:17

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    Re:snare sound 2011/04/03 17:55:00 (permalink)
    Thanks for the tips about session drummer 3.  I finally figured out how to load full kits (I had just been loading indvidual instruments before).

    Though I still say they need to give an audio preview to really make it useful.

    Anyway, I'm doing some experimenting now.  If it works out, I'm going to use it on the song I'm currently working on (see the song forums for a draft).

    Thanks again for all the help,


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    Re:snare sound 2011/04/05 01:50:32 (permalink)
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    post edited by SongCraft - 2011/04/06 02:06:45

     
     
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    Re:snare sound 2011/04/13 20:42:50 (permalink)
    Another really interesting snare sound

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Sd5c4o9UM

    In particular, I note how wide it is in the stereo field.  But still sounding very in your face.  Almost sounds like the left is hitting a hair before the right.  

    In this type of music, I definitely think the mixing and effects can be half the song.


    Mathew

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