software reccommendation

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2012/11/30 18:37:29 (permalink)

software reccommendation

all i want to do is have a list of songs on the computer.
then when i want to play them i just select the song and send the yamaha keyboard the settings.
i tried the crashaholick sonarX! - did not come close to working.
if i could post pics on this forum i would show you the settings.
thanks fellow sufferers!
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    anon125
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 18:39:06 (permalink)
    it is on a win7/64 that has even been put back to factory specs to try and make the sonar X! work.
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 18:52:55 (permalink)
    Would windows media player be better for your purposes than crashaholic sonar?
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 19:01:30 (permalink)
    then when i want to play them i just select the song and send the yamaha keyboard the settings.

    What do you mean? Are you talking about MIDI files or are you trying to make just regular audio files trigger your keyboard?

    Also, if you are having chronic crashes it is likely due to your system and it's settings. Sonar X2 is still buggy but under the right conditions it works. What are your system specs/OS, what audio interface are you using and what do you have the audio buffers set to? The lower the latency settings the more likely you are to have crashes.

    Also factory default settings are not great for doing audio work. If you want the correct system settings follow the Cakewalk optimization guide on this site.
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 19:10:14 (permalink)
    SONAR has a Play List feature that might do what you need. In SONAR, choose File > New. Then choose Play List Set from the dialog.

    You can add Cakewalk project files, MIDI files, and even Karaoke files to the list.

    Check out the SONAR help for more info.

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 20:05:44 (permalink)
    sysx is what i have to use to set the yamaha keyboard settings from the computer.
    remember i am only storing the midi file that remembers the keyboard settings for each tune.
    how would i get the settings into Play List Set?
    and i have sonar X1 and if there is a free update to X2 - i use it on a non internet computer - so updates would have to be transportable on a USB. 
    thanks all
    post edited by anon125 - 2012/11/30 20:13:41
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 20:12:14 (permalink)
    You can load those MIDI files into the Play List.

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 20:15:04 (permalink)

    how would i get the settings into Play List Set?
    the yamaha keyboard sends the settings as a sysx dump
    how would i get the settings into Play List Set?
    thanks
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/11/30 20:37:59 (permalink)
    "incomplete sysx message, discarding received data" even tho it got 255 data
    this is the main error message in sysx
    then EVERY time it crashes- a bit buggy? HAH! a lot worse than that - completely unstable is more like it.
    which is why this post is called software reccommendation. i need one that works.
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 04:08:22 (permalink)
    It's only "completely unstable" for those people who haven't set their pc up properly, are running a sub-standard soundcard or haven't bothered to set Sonar up properly


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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 05:56:20 (permalink)
    Maybe we can understand you better if you give example of what songs you want to transfer from Yamaha to sonar. Is it the built-in (demo)songs? is it songs you have recorded on the Yamaha ? Is it midi files (.mid) that you download from internet?  

    Edit: give example of the song name/title as well?
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 09:54:36 (permalink)
    Okay, I'll take your word for it even though I've had X1 and X2 running fine on my system for quite some time now.

    *headdesk*
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 10:02:52 (permalink)
    The Play List won't load Sysex files. For that, you would need to create a project in SONAR and use the Sysx view. In the Sysx view, you have a list of banks. You can load each of these banks with a sysex dump. You can then select a bank and send it. Maybe that is what you're looking for?

    You can access the Sysx view by choosing Views > Sysx from SONAR's main menu.

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 13:36:01 (permalink)
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    Maybe we can understand you better if you give example of what songs you want to transfer from Yamaha to sonar. Is it the built-in (demo)songs? is it songs you have recorded on the Yamaha ? Is it midi files (.mid) that you download from internet?  

    Edit: give example of the song name/title as well?


    it is not songs. it is the keyboard set up for each song.
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 13:52:09 (permalink)
    Maybe it would help if you were to provide the information already requested i.e. FULL system specs.

    CPU / RAM / Hard drives, Interface, the lot

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 14:13:30 (permalink)
    Got your PM, but I'd rather respond here... if the Sysx view is crashing for you, then it's time to contact Cakewalk tech support. Crashes are a major problem and I don't know how to solve those. Sorry. 

    Here's a link to a sysex editor for Windows, but I've never used it and have no idea if it works...
    http://www.october28.com/....asp   

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 14:20:32 (permalink)
    404 Scott.... BTW Scott also has a very nice book - should hopefully have one for X2 shortly - hopefully this time he will release it in electronic format for UK users ;).

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 14:29:26 (permalink)
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    404 Scott.... BTW Scott also has a very nice book - should hopefully have one for X2 shortly - hopefully this time he will release it in electronic format for UK users ;).
    Thanks, Alex! Yep, looks like end of Feb release for print. Still not sure about the ebook... the publisher says yes, but they've said that plenty of times before. So... don't know. Unfortunately, it's totally in their control... they own the book. 

    I know that the Nook version of X1 Power is available from B&N... is that not available to order outside the US?

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 15:01:19 (permalink)
    If they are MIDI files, can't you make a playlist of MIDI files in Windows Media Player and set it up to default to the MIDI out port instead of to the internal sounds?

    A long time ago, I had a little battery powered Yamaha disk player the would stream MIDI data.  I actually still have it but it uses an old format of floppy disks.  I can find blank ones but don't have a computer that will write to them anymore.   I was going to use it on the Kawai digital piano in my living room for classical tracks, but trying to transfer the data to these old disks was not worth it.   I could buy a newer sequence but that costs more than a laptop, so that is pointless.

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 16:15:53 (permalink)
    He's not trying to play audio or midi, but rather using Sonar as a "Data Filer" to transmit MIDI System Exclusive data to the external midi gear. And I'm pretty sure Sonar has this feature. Is it working, I don't know.


    MidiOx is a free program that is a very good data filer. Not sure if it is still supported after XP. But you should check it out if you can't get Sonar to work for you.

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 18:23:06 (permalink)
    Midiox works on windows 7 64 but I have never tried this particular feature in midiox.
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/01 19:18:55 (permalink)
    I've used Midiox to handle sysex in Win7 64bit without problems. At least, I can dump from and to my Machinedrum and SR16 at any rate.

    I've never really used Sonar's sysex sending capability, largely because I found Midiox does what I need without having to get my head round how Sonar handles sysex. And because I'm lazy.

    A thought - if sysex it being sent (in effect played) from a sequencer the tempo the sequencer's running at can make a big difference to whether the data is received correctly or not. Generally speaking, slower tempos seem to make for better communication. Slowing the tempo to 60 or even 40bpm might make an improvement. Or even speeding up the tempo.......


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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/03 22:44:17 (permalink)
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    Maybe it would help if you were to provide the information already requested i.e. FULL system specs.

    CPU / RAM / Hard drives, Interface, the lot


    to use sysx to do dumps ANY computer would do - it does not even use a sound card!
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/03 22:47:47 (permalink)
    WDI


    He's not trying to play audio or midi, but rather using Sonar as a "Data Filer" to transmit MIDI System Exclusive data to the external midi gear. And I'm pretty sure Sonar has this feature. Is it working, I don't know.


    MidiOx is a free program that is a very good data filer. Not sure if it is still supported after XP. But you should check it out if you can't get Sonar to work for you.


    thanks very much - midiox is not yet win7/64
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/03 22:49:08 (permalink)
    thanks everybody - it seems sysx dumps are not common.
    hopefully cakewalk will reply soon
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/04 13:26:41 (permalink)
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    WDI


    He's not trying to play audio or midi, but rather using Sonar as a "Data Filer" to transmit MIDI System Exclusive data to the external midi gear. And I'm pretty sure Sonar has this feature. Is it working, I don't know.


    MidiOx is a free program that is a very good data filer. Not sure if it is still supported after XP. But you should check it out if you can't get Sonar to work for you.


    thanks very much - midiox is not yet win7/64

    I use MIDIOX on Windows 7 /64-bit on a regular basis.
    No issues...
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/04 19:10:33 (permalink)
    3 people use midiox on 64bit win 7 with no problem.  Why don't you try?  If it also doesn't work then perhaps the issue is not sonar or midiox? 
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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/05 06:07:50 (permalink)
    I have MIDI Ox on Wion 7 x64 and it works fine - just tested it with sysex dump.

    generally I use SONAR for any sysex activity. And have been ever since I can remember as it started life as a MIDI sequencer.

    Any sysex data is stored in a project along with any other info and is sent at the beginning of a project when play is pressed to setup the keyboard or other MIDI device. this function can be suppressed or activated  in Preferences.

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    Re:software reccommendation 2012/12/05 15:15:22 (permalink)
    reinstalling sonar X! got it to work - sort of.
    thanks all
    will try midi-ox
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