some feedback on a track i fear is lacking

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2005/06/13 08:55:53 (permalink)

some feedback on a track i fear is lacking

hey guys,

do you think this track needs a lead part, or is it too busy as it is? it's spaced out trance-like music (not as in the genre of trance, but like music that might accidentally hypnotize you). i sometimes think it's too repetitive, although it does actually have a lot of stuff changing around, but then i think a more over melodic lead might make it descend into cheese. plenty of indecision. this is a strange piece because it contains almost 100% psyn patches and p5 effects, which is very unusual for us. in any event, what's your reaction?

Van with a Broken Headlight

thanks in advance for your ears.
post edited by gourdjopy - 2005/06/13 08:58:58
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    pcmodeler
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 09:15:55 (permalink)
    Well, this is only my opinion, but it seems like some of the sections take too long to evolve. For example, you have a section that may be taking 2 measures before the next layer comes in. You might cut that down to 1 measure. Also seems like it could use a bit more percussion.

    Just my thoughts.
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 10:52:43 (permalink)
    couldnt tell ya...havnt listened to it yet......but I will when i get home tonight.

      
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 16:16:27 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: pcmodeler

    Well, this is only my opinion, but it seems like some of the sections take too long to evolve. For example, you have a section that may be taking 2 measures before the next layer comes in. You might cut that down to 1 measure. Also seems like it could use a bit more percussion.


    i'd wondered if the percussion gets redundant. it might need something more "forward." i also think i'm going to cut one of the pads out altogether and then add something more attention grabbing that would move things along faster. it's like a fifteen layer cake with too much frosting in the middle.

    thanks for listening
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 16:34:25 (permalink)
    I think it's excellent. loved every minute of it. I loved the percussion and the way the track evolved, I got completely lost in it. I could'nt find anything lacking in it at all.

    Over-analysing things can prevent you from seeing the big picture sometimes.



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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 16:39:07 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: blipp
    I think it's excellent. loved every minute of it.


    well, if past precedent holds, that means i need to change it.

    he he... (see, now if i didn't have that silly self-imposed no emoticon thing i could stick in a grin so you'd know i was kidding and that i probably should take this into account seriously because i value your opinion, but i do tend not to use emoticons as a rule, so instead i have to write this long winded explanation of what i'm trying to say rather than just using a damn emoticon).
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 16:50:26 (permalink)
    Being the lazy B******d i am, i prefer the emoticon. The less typing the better.

    It's a great track and this is'nt an exact science.
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 16:59:54 (permalink)
    jopy:

    I liked it. Some very interesting ideas in there. The only thing that popped out as I listened was that I could imagine the song building to a more dramatic part at some point. I really like the dreamy ending.

    Eric
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 17:15:34 (permalink)
    thanks eric. i think there might be a way to accomodate what you're saying (and what i'm thinking) with the general ambience of the piece that blipp seems to like. this has been a great thinking opportunity for me.

    gourd
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 17:35:25 (permalink)

    two current points:
    1) i have a fever, a sore throat, another middle ear infection and my wife's whole visiting family has a nasty bronchitis so they cough all night and I don't get much sleep -- the gist is I'm out of it and one ear is pretty stuffed
    2) most of my pieces don't have lead parts. leads are way over-rated. they lead the listener, make it too easy to know what to listen to -- let the listeners wander, make up their own lead out of the elements available

    if i was to change anything and it may be a mistake, i would try a nice round or slight fuzz bass to build a little more drama before the dreamy end


     


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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 18:18:55 (permalink)
    Gourdo,


    I am not to much into soundscape type stuff, therefore I cant give you any good criticism. I enjoyed listening to it though, I like 2:58 something new came in at that point, some percussion. I enjoy drama,tension, etc. This was kind of laid back and dreamy, but like someone said, don't over analyze your stuff into a "this is no good." Just keep on truckin. IF it isn't fantastic to you then that's what you should listen too, you know what's missing or not.IMHO
    .D

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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/13 22:19:08 (permalink)
    Im with ecamburn on this one....I thought it needed something else in there to build on.
    and I think it would have been cool to here some big boomin bass hits here and there...
    othere than that...it was a pretty simple track....sounds good.

      
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/14 12:29:02 (permalink)
    gourdjopy, I've just put an abstract, dark ambient track up on my soundclick you may find interesting. It's something i did in the early 9o's, completely different from the stuff i do now. Click on my sig and it's the track at the bottom of my music page. It's called "Abandoned". Cheers.
    post edited by blipp - 2005/06/14 12:31:41
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/14 12:52:52 (permalink)
    that's very cool blipp. i like the depth of the samples you put in there, like the little tick and shake sounds that kept creeping in. the pads were really nice too (what were you using?). the track overall was a little like a japanese painting, with a few brushstrokes placed in critical places across a mostly blank surface. this track makes a nice complement to your other stuff. thanks!
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/14 13:01:24 (permalink)
    Thanks gourdjopy. I thought if anyone here would like it it would be you. Everything was done on one yamaha multi-timbral module, can't remember what the model number of it was now. There was a lot of editing done on the patches to get those sounds though. The computer i had then was the ubiquitous Atari STFM and master tracks software. It's the only track i did then that i still have i think.
    post edited by blipp - 2005/06/14 13:16:01
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/15 12:25:56 (permalink)
    i did do an update to this track based on your collective feedback (still can be uploaded from the link above), and of course, my own twisted take on reality. it's really pretty much the same piece except for a bunch of changes. per sean's suggestion, i added a massive compressed 808 kick drum track. it occurs once every 320 bars.

    for real, the main flow of the song is the same, i just added a few spices:
    a) a chromatic bass run towards the middle that repeats a few times
    b) some more chromatic chord action to add tension to the very "inside" chord structures
    c) a heavily processed audio sample of me reassuring my son that his spilled orange juice can be cleaned up easily.
    d) some massive rhythm destroying echos towards the end

    so, to put it simply, now the van with a broken headlight spins out near the end and stalls in the middle of the road while the passengers collect their thoughts and breathe deeply, relieved that no one is hurt. a little more dramatic tension, but hopefully not too much to distract from the overall sense of a flowing piece that lets the mind wander among sections.

    okay, that's it for electronic manipulation for a while. starting next week we'll be working mostly on free jazz in a more collaborative vein. that'll be a switch-o, eh?
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/15 12:44:00 (permalink)
    per sean's suggestion, i added a massive compressed 808 kick drum track


    ....cant wait to listen to it tonight.

      
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/16 17:50:35 (permalink)
    Just got round to listening to the latest version and it gets the thumbs up from me. I still like the original version too though.
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/16 18:16:04 (permalink)
    I missed the massive 808 kick.

    The build up of tension and then sense of relief is really dramatic. I really like how you've translated a concept into musical ideas.

    Eric
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/16 21:58:00 (permalink)
    thanks eric and blipp. we still have to see if sean can find the big bass. i know it's around here somewhere...
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/16 23:39:45 (permalink)
    theres no big boom in there....I had the old Polk's cranked...and i could here it.....couldnt even feel my house shake.

    by the way...this track almost gave me a seizure....like my mind was placed in a blender...... thats some crazy -s h i t e- ya got there..

      
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/17 09:54:04 (permalink)
    i suppose i'll take that as a compliment?
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/17 09:59:07 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: gourdjopy

    i suppose i'll take that as a compliment?


    your welcome.....

    all joking aside...I really did like this track....I did miss the bass hit though, I listened to it 5 or 6 times trying to find it....maybe the mp3 cut it out???



      
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    RE: some feedback on a track i fear is lacking 2005/06/17 13:22:31 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: :10:
    I did miss the bass hit though, I listened to it 5 or 6 times trying to find it....maybe the mp3 cut it out???


    i think i found the bass hits! they're about a minute into this other track about tornado warnings:
    dub for blaine

    sorry for the confusion, sometimes our beats creep around from track to track without telling us.
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