Many people here are probably still on Sonar 32bit, but they argue that Sonar is fine. Of course it is. It's just the 64bit version that sucks. Sonar should be like a good mix - able to run stable on all kinds of setups.

I think allot of the problems that users have in 64bit mode is that they have hardware and software that isnt 64bit ready. Lots of people have Sonar 64bit running great and you have the same program as they do, but you do not have the same pc, sound card, video card, ram and other software as they do. Im looking at the whole picture here..
Cj

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Many people here are probably still on Sonar 32bit, but they argue that Sonar is fine. Of course it is. It's just the 64bit version that sucks. Sonar should be like a good mix - able to run stable on all kinds of setups.

I think allot of the problems that users have in 64bit mode is that they have hardware and software that isnt 64bit ready. Lots of people have Sonar 64bit running great and you have the same program as they do, but you do not have the same pc, sound card, video card, ram and other software as they do. Im looking at the whole picture here..
Cj

Hey CJ, what's up?!
My laptop was built for 64 bit.
It came with Vista64 installed on it.
Everything is 64bit compatible.
ECHO is x64 as well + Windows 7 compatibility.

Cheers.

The thing is - some people have Sonar x64 working fine, while some don't. Many people here are probably still on Sonar 32bit, but they argue that Sonar is fine. Of course it is. It's just the 64bit version that sucks. Sonar should be like a good mix - able to run stable on all kinds of setups. So, it's not just the OP that's having problems... you guys always say that..but have you seen the number of "problem threads"? Plus there are a lot of Sonar users that don't use the forums. I know that this is a place for users to interact, but sometimes you just gotta let it all out.

 
Hi Graal,
 
FWIW, I think you'll ultimately find you're placing the blame on the wrong culprit.
I'm not saying that to be a Sonar 'apologist'... but rather as someone who has a lot of experience with DAWs.
 
The 64Bit version of Sonar runs very well.  It's very stable...
BUT, that's contingent on many factors. 
When you list your specs, the express-card TI chipset Firewire controller immediately jumps out at me.
This is not in any way to put down your laptop... but that's not an ideal hardware configuration.
Firewire controller is ultra critical to a rock-solid DAW.
ie:  As I mentioned earlier, one relatively new Firewire audio interface is so picky about the controller... that it not only requires TI... but it'll run completely stable with some TI controllers... and it'll cause random BSOD with other TI controllers.  In this scenario, you could easily assume the problem was Windows/Sonar/etc... when in fact the Firewire controller was the problem.  Step-by-step trouble-shooting led to this discovery.
 
If you're running 32Bit plugins in the 64Bit version of Sonar... and you're having stability problems, the first thing I'd suspect is that one or more of the plugins is having problems with BitBridge.  32Bit plugins have to be bridged... or they would simply not function in the 64Bit version of Sonar.  This is true with any x64 host DAW application.
The workaround is to use Jbridge... or to run the 32Bit verson of Sonar.
Again, this appears to be a problem with Sonar (as it causes stability issue)... when in fact it's a limitation of the plugin/s.
 
Look past the symptoms... and get to the root of the problem.
Windows and Sonar x64 are not inherently unstable.
If you're having stability problems, there's an underlying reason why.
If you wish to solve those problems, the best proceedure is step-by-step trouble-shooting.
 
Look at all the posts from folks having trouble with Firewire audio interfaces.
90% of the time, those folks are not running a good TI chipset firewire controller. 
With good native or PCI/e TI chipset Firewire, the problems are resolved.
Note that an express-card TI Firewire controller is running thru the express-card controller (and is thus subject to it's issues).
I'd almost guarantee this is a factor in the problems you're experiencing.
 

rick keys


my ram is fine the computer is  less  than two  months old !!!!

not trying to be rude or anything but i work on computers for a living, just cause your computer is new doesn't mean that the parts are  perfect. mistakes happen..... try running some form of memory test to verify that your ram is functioning properly.

Bitbridge is not used if you run 32 bit Sonar. This indicates a deeper problem with your system. Unless I read your post wrong. If it is crashing with 32 bit Sonar running. 

I believe BitBridge needs a complete workover (hopefully in SONAR 9 or whatever the next upgrade version is named)...

I don't like the fact that I can't "Enable Tabbed" and none of the automation options are available...I haven't experienced any problems with it "crashing" my system (at least not yet) but I think there's a lot of room for improvement...

Graal

John


Bitbridge is not used if you run 32 bit Sonar. This indicates a deeper problem with your system. Unless I read your post wrong. If it is crashing with 32 bit Sonar running. 

Yes I know that - duh... I mentioned BitBridge for the x64 Version that I had before.

Now Sonar x32 is stable, but it overloads the CPU when running more plug-ins -> something that in Sonar x64 wasn't an issue.

Cheers.

I have say that is a totally ludicris statement Graal. I run 32 bit on a 4 core Q6600 in Win 7 with 4GB ram, and I'd have to really overdo the plugins to even see my CPU hit 20%. At some point people have to realize how the machine works and that not all inventions in the plugin realm get along and alter their tracking habits to acomadate the imperfections in the structure of computer recording and computer architecture. You can't expect Sonar to cure all  the bumps in the road in this art. Peace.

I have say that is a totally ludicris statement Graal. I run 32 bit on a 4 core Q6600 in Win 7 with 4GB ram, and I'd have to really overdo the plugins to even see my CPU hit 20%. At some point people have to realize how the machine works and that not all inventions in the plugin realm get along and alter their tracking habits to acomadate the imperfections in the structure of computer recording and computer architecture. You can't expect Sonar to cure all the bumps in the road in this art. Peace.

Graig in this he is right sorta. Running Sonar 64 bit will with the same project and the same plugins run better. The plugins should all be 64 bit but even if some of them are not it still comes out better overall. This is comparing Vista 32 bit versus Vista 64 bit in my case. CPU usage is down in 64 bit Sonar. Not by a tremendous amount but quite noticeable.

timidi


I just read the topic heading and I agree. I don't want to read all the other comments about how the OP is wrong. Sonar crashes a lot. I guess you just get used to it. But, my TV always works. My refrigerators always cold. My lights come on. I don't care if it's computers and there are lots of variables. They should make it work within the parameters of all those variables.  

You're absolutely right.

Hey John,
I'm not venting. Just stating my opinion on an open forum thread that I had one for. That's great it works well for you. I'm happy for you. Really. 
And, I hope you can give the OP some good advice.
I've spent 10-15 years scouring threads about why this or that doesn't work and get maybe 5% satisfaction. 

I'm just a little bit over it.  I work around it.
Sonar does crash a lot "for some people".