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2011/11/15 00:59:03 (permalink)

soundblaster audigy sonar 8

Ok before the catcalls I know that an sb audigy is not a pro audio card.  I have a couple other computers with good cards (deltas)   I just want to use this one occasionally.  It has an xp2500 with 1 gig ram. an asus board
I used to use it with my delta 1010 and it worked pretty well.
Ok  I just put sonar 8 back on thsi computer and I cant get it to record in 24 bit.  The card is supposed to be 24 bit.  If set sonar at anything above 16 bit in audio options the channel meter goes right to being pegged in the red on the channel/track.  any ideas?  it is on its own irq  windows xp sp3  I have disabled onboard sound

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 03:24:06 (permalink)
and even in 16 bit it seems noisy.  hum etc

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 09:43:22 (permalink)
It's because the SB isn't a Pro card.

And 1Gb of RAM is barely sufficient to run the OS, let alone Sonar as well.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 09:59:14 (permalink)
most of the SB cards would not run 24bit simultaneous recording and playback, so sonar would not allow it to be set to 24bit.  even tho SB claims "24bit" on the marketing hype, they didn't mention that it was 24bit playback OR 24bit recording, but not simultaneous - 16bit only in simultaneous.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 12:23:21 (permalink)
Ok this is funny because I just did the same thing. I have my old SB Audigy 2 in my office computer just to play movies and MP3's. I have no problems using Wave Lab, most of my work before Sonar was Wave lab so I got my $300 worth out of it. . But forget Sonar! I have many attempt's, believe me. Funny Sonar almost works better with the on board Real tech card than the SB.    
When answering questions on the forum it's handy to be able to open Sonar. So I installed it on this computer the other day, The problem is the drivers,  They just don't jive with Sonar. Another weirdness is it can ONLY do 24/48 Mhz or 96Mhz so it won't even play projects that were done at 44.1. 

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 13:36:15 (permalink)
My old DAW was a Q6600 machine.  I upgraded my computer to a new system - completely upgraded everything including the case.  so I put my Q6600 in another room to serve as a backup.  but the only soundcard I have available for it was the onboard soundcard or an SB card (I don't remember the exact model).

I had to use ASIO4ALL to get it to work correctly, but it does work correctly using ASIOALL in sonar.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 15:22:20 (permalink)
Thanks for all the input guys.  I think I am going to try the asio4all drivers and if that dont work give up.  I dont know what it is about computers that make me want to keep messing with them. this old one!    But I must say that this particular computer used to run sonar 7 quite well with a delta in it.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 15:34:52 (permalink)
If your still there, I just re read your first post , do you have the soundblaster mixer set to "what you hear", that would create the loop.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 16:04:02 (permalink)
yes I am here.  that mixer is tricky.  sometimes I cant get a  reocrd meter in sonar (but will still record) but if I switch the creative mixer to microphone and then back to line in the meter works!  so if I have it on what you hear it will create a ground loop?  I just installed the asio drivers and they work although I dont know that they work better than the creatives. 
   Now I couldn't get anything useable with my vaio laptop and its onboard realtek audio.  Intel T2310 @1.46ghz  2 meg of ram. win xpsp3  It used to run sonar decent with my motu 8pre  firewire that I had to sell.  (which i think is what led me to trying this old beast again)

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 16:05:08 (permalink)
it is still pciking up some hum somewhere not terrible but not ideal  I make sure I am not too close to the monitor.  could my reciever being next to the montior cause it.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 16:09:46 (permalink)
no, what u hear will not create a ground loop. what u hear simiply INTERNALY (software mixer) routes the output back to the input so that you will get the output recorded with the input you're recording all on the same track.

laptops are notorious for having grounding problems with DAWs.  if you unplug the power cable and run on battery only - does the hum go away?

and ASIO4ALL is not really "DIFFERENT" drivers - it's an ASIO wrapper that uses your soundcard's WDM drivers in ASIO mode.  just being pedantic, tho. 

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 16:16:43 (permalink)
I didn't know that about ASIO4all.  this isn't on my laptop.  I was probably not clear with what I said.  I cant get sonar to run for crap with that laptop.  with or without the asio4all.  but it is running on the old xp2500  just a little noisy   no crackle in the audio though just some hiss and hum

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 17:51:09 (permalink)
sorry, I thought you said this was the laptop.

I'd definitely look at ground loops, make sure everything is plugged inton the same outlet (if possible). 

you said your "receiver" - is this a home stereo type receiver? if so, I would move that OFF of the same power circuit (at least disconnect it for troubleshooting purposes)

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 18:12:12 (permalink)
k  I just put sonar 8 back on thsi computer and I cant get it to record in 24 bit.  The card is supposed to be 24 bit.  If set sonar at anything above 16 bit in audio options the channel meter goes right to being pegged in the red on the channel/track.  any ideas?  it is on its own irq  windows xp sp3  I have disabled onboard sound

No not a ground loop but an audio loop. When you said above that it pins the meters this was my first reaction. This can happen when you use "what you hear"
But now I'm confused, Are we talking about a Laptop or a Desktop??

When you said SB Audigy I assumed it is this model ( the same as mine) we are talking about. Or??



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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/15 20:27:56 (permalink)
no we are not talkin about the laptop.    my card is just asimple audigy with no box

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/16 02:14:32 (permalink)
well it is working ok at 16 bit.  When I get bad hum is when I am plug something into my mackie 1402vlz mxer such as a direct out from a line 6 amp while the computer audio outs are plugged into mixer.  If I unplug the computer I dont get as much hum.  Nor do I get it  bad when the computer itself is plugged into the mixer.  So the chain is this.
Mixer outs LR are going to a tape in on my reciever, This is a good onkyo 3 pin plug grounded reciever.  everything is going into the same wall outlet.  there are a few power strips involved. computer audio outs are plugged into one of the stereos channels on the mixer.  that is when the hum really starts thoif I have the line 6 plugged into another channel.  If I unplug the line 6 or the computer audio outs the hum reduces quite a bit.  gotta be somekind of a ground loop.  I also get it on my other computer with the same mixer. 

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/16 02:21:58 (permalink)
by the way it is recording pretty good at 16 bits.  and handling a few plug ins too  at least for a few tracks.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/16 07:59:48 (permalink)
you could look into a transformer isolator to try to eliminate the ground loop.  I do not recommend a simple 3 to 2 prong adapter.  those can be dangerous.  they are useful only for troubleshooting, do NOT leave one in the circuit permanently.

I'd also check your power strips.  one of them may be a culprit.  anything can be a culprit - even the "really onkyo 3 plug reciever" - ground faults can happen internally.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/16 12:37:02 (permalink)

Ok those SB cards are a different animal and only a step above an onboard. 

It might just be the line 6 is noisy, unplug everything else and use a set of phones and see what happens. 
Sometimes line level ( 1/4 ") inputs will hum if there is global Phantom power on the mixer turned on. 
Noisy guitar feeds are common so it will give your recording an authentic vibe.  
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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/16 21:18:52 (permalink)
thanks.  I dont think the hum is the sound card.  I get hum with the same mixer on a different computer that has a delta 44.  I guess ground loop is a different topic.  Thanks again.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/17 11:05:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpful

 I dont think the hum is the sound card. 

Ok but you should still test a few things as to remove the highlighted word!    1- Did you turn off phantom power? 
2- Did you unplug everything and then ONE at a TIME plug them in and make notes as to how much hum each component is producing? 

3- Do you get a hum from the mixer when you plug in an other   device, like a drum machine or keyboard, tape deck?? Microphone??
4-Does the hum change when you move components away from each other?? 
5-Does the hum go away if you add a ground lift to the AC plug? 

Another note that shouldn't make a difference, but to be aware of, those older Mackie mixers used to swap output pins 2 and 3 which puts it out of phase. At least the one I had was like that in 1994. 


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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/19 14:44:37 (permalink)
that is interesting about the mackie.  I dont think this one is quite that old.  i would guess it is around 2003 or so. I have ground lifted everything.  but lots of good points there.  thank you very much

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2011/11/19 23:20:19 (permalink)
Well, the basic story is what you already knew you'd hear - You need to get an interface intended for DAW use, not a sound card intended for gaming use.  That's really all there is to it.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2014/12/12 14:35:51 (permalink)
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I just installed a SB Audigy RX into my new computer yesterday, and tried using it with Sonar X3, so this seemed like a relevant place to ask my question.... 
 
First of all, regarding what the OP said about 16 bit, I experienced the same thing.  The card says "24 Bit", but when I opened Sonar, it said it had to switch to 16 bit since 24 bit isn't supported.  At least now, after reading this thread, I know why.  For my purposes, honestly, 16 bit is fine.  I'm not a pro, this is purely a hobby to pass the time, and I do entirely MIDI stuff, using softsynths, so I'm not trying to record external audio or anything. 
 
However, the problem that I AM having is that I keep getting a crackling sound during playback.  It comes and goes, but it's there.  Anyone know what might be causing that?  (I know the obvious answer is, "Your cheap sound card is causing it," and maybe that's true, but I've ALWAYS used cheap SB cards, and never had any crackling before.  In the past, I worked with Sonar 4 and Sonar 6.  This is my first time using X3, so I'm wondering if maybe there's some difference I'm not aware of in terms of settings.) 
 
 
 
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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2014/12/12 14:39:05 (permalink)
How many soft synths?
 
What are your buffer settings (in the SB card)?
 
What is SONAR's Round Trip Latency showing? (Preferences->Driver)
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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2014/12/12 15:06:36 (permalink)
It's crackling because it can't keep up... Depending on the chipset used,and if you are technically inclined, Google kxproject drivers

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2014/12/12 16:08:18 (permalink)
but I've ALWAYS used cheap SB cards, and never had any crackling before

 
Modern software places more demands on the hardware running it - this includes soundcards
 
Your crackling will not disappear until you take the only logical step.

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2014/12/12 17:25:18 (permalink)
It was a lifetime ago, but the old Audigy's had some ... problems.  I think there was a 16/24 split between in and out (playback of 24 bit material, not recording).  And the old emu engine used 48 KHz and resampled for 44.1, which produced artifacts.  either of those could be the problem, or maybe not.  This was over 10 years ago when I learned that stuff.
 
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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2014/12/12 18:08:30 (permalink)
Ultimately it would be smart for one to look for a new audio card or device. One more suited to the needs of music production. 

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Re:soundblaster audigy sonar 8 2014/12/13 09:58:57 (permalink)
In the old days some of the fixes for noise were turn off virus scanners, turn off all power management schemes, turn off Windows system sounds, turn off screen savers and wallpaper, ensure that you have the latest audio drivers for the interface and OS, etc.
With modern computers that have huge hard drives and boatloads of memory, I don't know if any of these are applicable, but you can try them.
I once had a Sound Blaster Extigy which advertised 24 bit but didn't discover that 24 bit only worked with the S/PDIF input until I hooked it up.

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