step sequencer on most soft synths not working?

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2011/01/28 12:54:40 (permalink)

step sequencer on most soft synths not working?

i am trying to use the step sequencer from the soft synth insturments. I put together a pattern on the sequencer and it does not play...some of the sounds hit but randomly? any ideas
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 12:59:33 (permalink)
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    i am trying to use the step sequencer from the soft synth insturments. I put together a pattern on the sequencer and it does not play...some of the sounds hit but randomly? any ideas

    Can you tell us about your PC and Audio device?  Also a little more specific info such as which synth, which patch (if appropriate) and what kind of pattern have you created.
     
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 13:03:27 (permalink)
    Sonar X1 has a known issue of sounds dropping out during looping.

    Can I ask your opinion of the step sequencer? How has your experience been?

    I personally find it is 'too large' and 'too long' down the screen when it should be a third of the size.
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 13:10:05 (permalink)
    all as I can tell you is that it is a compaq it only 2gb of ram 64 bit and a realtek audio card..this is really the only program I have on this computer. I think I may have installed th sonar in 32 bit? does that make a difference?
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 13:13:54 (permalink)
    my opinion of the look of the interfaces is that I like them. I wish I could get them to work properly is all. I posted a link to around 4 hours worth of video tutorials the post is called the link to understanding x1 and they have helped me understand and navigate the layout...but there is no help i can find about step sequencing
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 13:16:11 (permalink)
    @brian...the patterns are simple 2 or 3 notes in a couple of rows or if it a drum beat a simple 4/4 bass drum hi hat and snare
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 15:12:56 (permalink)
    probably has to do with the reltek card.  It is made for listening to music, not shoving a bunch dsp through it.

    But I still don't understand what the problem is exactly.  As above by Stone House, what synth?  If you look at Seth's Session Drummer sessions there is a great breakdown of the step sequencer.

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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 15:34:12 (permalink)
    I am not aware of any general problem with dropped notes in X1 as mentioned by Crush. Try increasing the Prepare Using value in Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording. If it's less than 500, start there. If it's already there, try increasing in increments of 100 up to 1000 or so, and see if that helps.


    This is by far the the most common cause of dropped notes. 
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 15:52:55 (permalink)
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    I personally find it is 'too large' and 'too long' down the screen when it should be a third of the size.
     
     
    I'm not sure I understand this comment?
    - Too long, as in too many rows? You can have as much or as little as you want. Add/Remove as needed.
    - Too Large? Do you mean width? It is only as wide as you need for your pattern. 4 measures @ 8 beats per measure would be 32 wide. 1 measure @ 16 beats per measure would be 16 wide.
     
    Unless I have misunderstood what are saying (which is possible ), I find the SS to be just the right size. It's the exact size of what you need it to be for the clip you are working on.
     
    EDIT: @MickyRatt: You mention in one of your posts that you cannot find a video on the Step Sequencer. Take a look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3sKXjBgjoE which is step three of the "Sonar Drum Master Class" set. (it's also available on the Cakewalk site). Step three (as shown here) covers the use of the step sequencer. Although this relates to drums, it might give you a better understanding of how it works. How you use it, is up to your imagination. Good luck!
     
    Check out page 1696 - 1724 of the Sonar X1 PDF Manual as well. That's a full section on how to use the Step Sequencer. 
     
    Also - I hope you solve the problem of missing notes. I've never encountered that, so I don't have anything to suggest.
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 16:43:43 (permalink)
    Contrary to what Crush said above, SONAR does not have issues with notes dropping out when looping. The Step Sequencer works just fine over here with the many different synths I use with it (SD3, GrooveSynth, DimPro, Battery, etc.).

    The first thing I would do is get an actual audio interface. Built-in sound cards are really just a last ditch effort at best.
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 17:12:53 (permalink)
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    Contrary to what Crush said above, SONAR does not have issues with notes dropping out when looping. The Step Sequencer works just fine over here with the many different synths I use with it (SD3, GrooveSynth, DimPro, Battery, etc.).

    The first thing I would do is get an actual audio interface. Built-in sound cards are really just a last ditch effort at best.

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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 17:44:51 (permalink)
    If you're running a sequence with fast steps and the synth sounds have a slow attack, you won't hear the notes. 

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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 18:07:51 (permalink)
    mickeyratt:

    If all you have for a soundcard is the onboard soundcard, go download the ASIO4All driver and use it.

    After you install ASIO4All, setup SONAR to use ASIO driver mode. See the following videos for help: http://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/video.aspx/rawGwZtyH00.ytb?t=Unified-Preferences

    http://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/video.aspx/BlWAAbQ4Ync.ytb?t=Get-Started-Initial-Audio-Configuration

    I 2nd watching the Drum Production SONAR Master Class by Seth, featuring the StepSequencer 2.0:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/CakewalkSoftware#p/c/249B20A0F1C21B77/0/-X-fIfLFtvM


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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 19:23:13 (permalink)
    Sonar X1 has a known issue of sounds dropping out during looping.

     
    Not as far as I've noticed - and I've put in quite a few hours now since X1 was launched. Never seen that happen in fact. I would get MIDI glitches in 8.5.3 whan entering lots of notes/edits into the step sequencer while looping it, but not so far in X1. Sonar may not even have been the culprit there - I altered my hardware MIDI routing setup at the time it was released, and as the problem sounded like MIDI "tripping over itself" it may well have been a hardware issue all along.
     
    Looped audio is rock solid, and I've gone to 32 stereo 24bit/48K tracks while changing looping on the fly to satisfy myself of that. Tiniest hiccup at worst when changing loop points (which I can live with, though I know it really irritates some people).
    Can I ask your opinion of the step sequencer? How has your experience been?

     
    I've used it for drum programming since Sonar 6. Having started to control an MFB 503 with it using lots of MIDI CCs I've spotted one or two things that could do with attention - perhaps you'd describe your experience to see if we agree?
    I personally find it is 'too large' and 'too long' down the screen when it should be a third of the size.

     
    Sorry, don't understand you. It's the size you set it to be - for controlling my SR-16 that's typically 16 or 32 steps wide, 16 rows high. If anything I'd like slightly smaller buttons/rows/columns so I can squeeze a few more steps in without scrolling and maybe a few more rows once in a while. If it was a third of the size I genreally use the buttons/text would be invisible. If there are more rows than you need (because you're not using all of them) then delete the ones you don't want.
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 19:38:40 (permalink)
    thanks guys for all your ++ feedback..I am going to start with using the asio drivers with my cakewalk v-20 interface..i downloaded a patch avail to make the interface work with sonar...then I will check the midi value...thanks for the info on the master drum class I have already watched it but it wasnt solving the problem of why when I created something it was not playing back...but the videos were very helpful and thanks for the page number of the sequencer in the manual
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 20:41:32 (permalink)
    I am not aware of any general problem with dropped notes in X1 as mentioned by Crush. Try increasing the Prepare Using value in Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording. If it's less than 500, start there. If it's already there, try increasing in increments of 100 up to 1000 or so, and see if that helps.


    This is by far the the most common cause of dropped notes.

    this was the problem......it was at 250 so I bumped it up to 500 and it works just fine
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 20:46:14 (permalink)
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    Sonar X1 has a known issue of sounds dropping out during looping.

    Can I ask your opinion of the step sequencer? How has your experience been?

    I personally find it is 'too large' and 'too long' down the screen when it should be a third of the size.


    I never use the step sequencer, just tried it for the very first time. Not one word of Crush's claim is true

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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/01/28 21:10:45 (permalink)
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    Crush


    Sonar X1 has a known issue of sounds dropping out during looping.

    Can I ask your opinion of the step sequencer? How has your experience been?

    I personally find it is 'too large' and 'too long' down the screen when it should be a third of the size.


    I never use the step sequencer, just tried it for the very first time. Not one word of Crush's claim is true
    Twisted,

    I couldn't agree more with you.


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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/09/07 22:47:01 (permalink)
    but did they fix the Step Sequencer? I can't use it because it is too large. I have a touchscreen laptop at maximum resolution and the SS cannot even fit 8x4. The window size of the SS is maximized. The very last beat causes the screen to scroll, which is much worse than not being able to see the note.

    Did they shrink it or add new controls over the size of the SS graphics or increase the limit to its maximum window size? 
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/09/07 22:53:07 (permalink)
    I don't know of any sound dropping out issues, but the claim about the Step Sequencer is true if you have a certain type of laptop where the screen is slightly narrowed. It's about an inch less wide than standard laptop screen. Since its a touchscreen, the maximum resolution is 1024x768. Sonar appears very large, overall, and the SS takes up half of the screen by default. So, naturally it doesn't fit at all. Unfortunately I've never used the SS due to this fact. But I recently saw a video where this guy was whipping through it doing all sorts of things. I guess I'll have to buy a new laptop.   
    post edited by JaneLynch - 2011/09/07 22:55:33
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    Re:step sequencer on most soft synths not working? 2011/09/07 23:06:37 (permalink)
    Unfortunately, 1024 x 768 does not meet the minimum requirement of SONAR as it is too low a screen resolution, for this very reason. SP
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